This article in China Tech News is about the SMEE 28nm Machine to be delivered in 2020/21.
The SMEE 22nm machine is just developed in April this year. Will be launched in 1-2 years. The article is several pages back.
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The SMEE 22nm machine is just developed in April this year. Will be launched in 1-2 years. The article is several pages back.
Don't get too excited my man. US will change sanction to anyone even if they Use nothing from the US but is selling any chips to Huawei will be sanctioned as well. It's wack a mole. Then if Huawei builds 100% of their own parts and even digs there own minerals from the ground. The US will then say anyone who's buys Huawei 5G will get sanctioned. That's why I'm not optimitic Huawei will survive unless there is a political solution between China and the US.
TLDR: In order for Huawei and other Chinese companies to survive
1) We need to shore up our technology especially in fab equipment (hard power)
2) We need to come up with a political solution with the US, because everytime we find a technical solution to a US sanction. They easily change that sanction to eliminate the usefulbess of that technical solution. So it's a wack a mole until there are no more workarounds and then Huawei goes bankruptcy. The last sanction from technical standpoint that we can't overcome is sanctions on anyone who buys Huawei phones, 5G etc.
Point 2 can happen, and I hope it happens. Otherwise we are done.
1) We need to shore up our technology especially in fab equipment (hard power)
2) We need to come up with a political solution with the US, because everytime we find a technical solution to a US sanction. They easily change that sanction to eliminate the usefulbess of that technical solution. So it's a wack a mole until there are no more workarounds and then Huawei goes bankruptcy. The last sanction from technical standpoint that we can't overcome is sanctions on anyone who buys Huawei phones, 5G etc.
Point 2 can happen, and I hope it happens. Otherwise we are done.
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hi WTAN
no I mean this
Four, domestic 11nm lithographmachine will be off-line at the end of the year?
Recently, there have been rumors on the Internet that Shanghai Microelectronics is expected to launch the first SSA800/10W photolithography machine using ArF light source in December 2020.
no I mean this
Four, domestic 11nm lithographmachine will be off-line at the end of the year?
Recently, there have been rumors on the Internet that Shanghai Microelectronics is expected to launch the first SSA800/10W photolithography machine using ArF light source in December 2020.
Yes thats' the "rumor" that we've been discussing in this thread.
You can have the greatest technology but if no one can buy it because they are afraid of a big stick that America wields. Does it even matter? Either we get a political solution or we will just end up producing cheap products that America doesn't care to sanction like shoes. Even then we can't compete with cheap Vietnam labor.
No political solution = RIP huawei, DJI, xiaomi, Alibaba, and every other Chinese tech companies.
Note how EU tried to get around Iran sanctions by creating a non-US Swift system. Guess what happened? No EU company had the gall to try to use the non-swift system. Because they would still be sanctioned. So RIP Iran. Even China is too afraid to do business with Iran, because all Chinese companies would get sanctioned. So RIP Iran.
No political solution = RIP huawei, DJI, xiaomi, Alibaba, and every other Chinese tech companies.
Note how EU tried to get around Iran sanctions by creating a non-US Swift system. Guess what happened? No EU company had the gall to try to use the non-swift system. Because they would still be sanctioned. So RIP Iran. Even China is too afraid to do business with Iran, because all Chinese companies would get sanctioned. So RIP Iran.
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Hendrik_2000
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I don't know why you need to toddy up to the US I mean China is by far the largest market for semiconductor bar none And the like of Samsung and TSMC won't survive without Chinese market South Korea has been Chinese allies for hundred of year and for thousand of year she is part of China and only separated in the year of 1895 war with Japan.
In the future their prosperity and security will depend even more to Chinese market. Every body know that in Korea.
It is not like china does not have backup plan. Once they started Manhattan like project there is nothing that they cannot built I mean lithograph machine is difficult but withthe availability of talent and money nothing is impossible. This time around they are prepared since Lithograph machine is part of 2015-2020 plan that is now bearing fruit.
They have one to one and half year to perfect the 28nm machine In mean time the built up inventory will cover their need
Well Samsung also can't survive without the US market. Plus they don't themselves want to end up on the entity list like Huawei.
Don't bother wasting your time with tidalwave's FUDing.
One thing I will compliment the Indians is how they managed to be an independent country while still having good relations with the US. China is so bad at this, it makes me think we will be in a reckoning if Trump tightens the screw come November.
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