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voyager1

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US will not admit to public the biggest concern is able China potentially firing nuke from SCS. MIC2025 public slogan is ranked lower than that but promoted to top in public.

From 2001to 2010,China can do whatever without any US interference, a golden opportunity missed.
What nuke? What do nukes have to do with this semiconductors thread?

Please move this discussion to another thread
 

Oldschool

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What nuke? What do nukes have to do with this semiconductors thread?

Please move this discussion to another thread
Geopolitical risks and semiconductor are all linked.

If China didn't do the SCS islands to protect its nuke subs, US would not wage such cold war against China even with MIC2025 because such cold war is also costly to US.

But China has to do that SCS thing. All its eastern sea is too shallow, its nuke subs can easily spotted.

I wish China begin it's Indeginous drive in 2001 before SCS.

From 2001 to 2010, China has achieved semiconductor independence and achieved big economy status is the ideal situation
 
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manqiangrexue

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US will not admit to public the biggest concern is China potentially firing nuke from SCS.
That's cus you made it up. The SCS has no consequence to China being able to fire nukes at the US from land or from sea.
MIC2025 public slogan is ranked lower than that but promoted to top in public.
That's your imagination. You are the public and know nothing more than the public.
From 2001to 2010,China can do whatever without any US interference, a golden opportunity missed.
From 2001 to 2010, China was developing in every way it could. It missed no opportunity except random cherry-picked things. And the heat was lower back then simply because China was too weak to be in striking range of challenging the US. Once China is in that range, it's gonna be noticed. If it weren't for China being so powerful now, the US would be preoccupied with Iran. You're so focused on sneaking around and hoping to avoid confrontation that you fail to realize that if China wants to rise above America, it's going to have a confrontation and win it. There is no escape.
If China didn't do the SCS islands to protect its nuke subs, US would not wage such cold war against China even with MIC2025 because such cold war is also costly to US.
Your imagination from your analysis which is proven wrong virtually every time.
But China has to do that SCS thing. All its eastern sea is too shallow, its nuke subs can easily spotted.
SCS is about resources, not subs. Chinese subs can go into international deep waters anywhere; it has nothing to do with nuclear strategy.
I wish China begin it's Indeginous drive in 2001 before SCS.
It did; it was just at a lower level because China was at a lower level.
From 2001 to 2010, China has achieved semiconductor independence and achieved big economy status is the ideal situation
Yeah, it'd be ideal if China had it in 1949 and held the world by chokehold on lithography before ASML had a chance. We're living in the real world, not the ideal one.
 
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Oldschool

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That's cus you made it up. The SCS has no consequence to China being able to fire nukes at the US from land or from sea.

That's your imagination. You are the public and know nothing more than the public.

From 2001 to 2010, China was developing in every way it could. It missed no opportunity except random cherry-picked things. And the heat was lower back then simply because China was too weak to be in striking range of challenging the US. Once China is in that range, it's gonna be noticed. If it weren't for China being so powerful now, the US would be preoccupied with Iran. You're so focused on sneaking around and hoping to avoid confrontation that you fail to realize that if China wants to rise above America, it's going to have a confrontation and win it. There is no escape.
You slapping yourself.
Now you said no escape and before you said China cannot project confrontation with US eventually and begin it's Indeginous drive earlier
 

manqiangrexue

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You slapping yourself.
And yet it is all of your arguments that have fallen on the ground.
Now you said no escape and before you said China cannot project confrontation with US eventually and begin it's Indeginous drive earlier
Oh, your poor English is dragging this conversation down... There is no escape of an eventual confrontation if China is to overtake the US but that confrontation should be kicked as far down the road as possible because China becomes stronger in relation to the US as the time goes on. Did you understand that sentence? Was it too long/complicated for you?
 

Tyler

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Sir thanks to both of you , really appreciated your valuable contribution as always.

@WTAN
Once you have developed a completely localised 28nm Manufacturing Line, it is much easier to make improvements to current equipment and take the next step which is to move into 14nm.

SMIC is currently building a De-Americanised 14nm Line.


Sir @caudaceus and I may want to know if the progress is possible this year? I'M an optimistic person and need to temper my expectation a bit, but I feel there is a major breakthrough and China being tight lip and calm makes me more anxious....LOL

@Oldschool
That's why I am saying TSMC 28nm expansion in 2022 gonna squeeze into SMIC 28nm expansion

Sir copy that, since its SMIC main revenue generator then maybe it may incentivized them to move up market and focus on the more lucrative 14nm , 12nm and even the 7nm node. Competition is good and TSMC going down the 28nm route again in China for me is a bad business decision on their part, that sector had been commoditized, why not expand their production in Nanjing by introducing their more advance 14nm ,12nm ,10nm and even their 7nm node. There is NO direct local competition by not doing that it allow SMIC to grow.

Sir In my view that decision is made to please the American, that 28nm node is what they needed ASAP, the new FAB in Arizona will be a white elephant cause the demand is not there and if the main target for export is China it will fail cause the cost will be horrendous.
Why is TSMC allowed in China so that they can squeeze SMIC? TSMC should be constraint in China, even if they invest in China and create jobs and healthy competition there. The CCP should demand that TSMC plant in China be partly owned by Chinese entities, so that the profit can be recycled within China itself.
 

gelgoog

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Why is TSMC allowed in China so that they can squeeze SMIC? TSMC should be constraint in China, even if they invest in China and create jobs and healthy competition there. The CCP should demand that TSMC plant in China be partly owned by Chinese entities, so that the profit can be recycled within China itself.

Back when TSMC got 16nm into production in China SMIC had no 14nm.
 

Oldschool

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And yet it is all of your arguments that have fallen on the ground.

Oh, your poor English is dragging this conversation down... There is no escape of an eventual confrontation if China is to overtake the US but that confrontation should be kicked as far down the road as possible because China becomes stronger in relation to the US as the time goes on. Did you understand that sentence? Was it too long/complicated for you?
ZeEa5KPul, running out of real debate and now switch to English level discussion, lol


2001 to 2010 US was too busy on something else to confront China on anything.
 
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