Chinese semiconductor industry
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antiterror13
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Only time will tell .... but after 2030, I think China would be the leader or at par. My guess
2021 - 2025 : 2 - 2.5 generations behind
2026 - 2030 : 1 - 1.5 generations behind
2031 - 2035 : 0.5 generation behind or at par
> 2035 : leader
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Just dont engage at their game. They can play with their own stuffs.
Nothing wrong with using older technology but with totally different standard products.
The ultimate goal is to keep US, taiwan, Korea and Japan semiconductor out of China market.
@Oldschool bro you're right about photonic chips and the west is panicking ....LOL
from antonius123 (Pakistan defense forum)
Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength
2021/04/04 11:05:01
According to Jilin TV, Huawei has taken a big move and bravely moved forward under the US chip ban, and started research in another field, namely photonic chips. The performance of this chip is better than existing chips, and does not require lithography machines produced by European and American companies. The Dutch media commented on this that the US lithography machine blockade is meaningless, and China may not need these equipment to produce high-end chips in the future. At the same time, the Russian media also attached great importance to this move by Huawei. They said that the United States underestimated the strength and determination of Chinese companies, and the blockade would only arouse challenges from Chinese companies.
Blocking the lithography machine is meaningless
For some time now, the White House has formulated a series of sanctions against Chinese semiconductor companies and communication technology companies. European and American companies are not allowed to sell goods or technologies to companies on the blacklist, including the Dutch ASML company. Manufacturing lithography machine. Huawei is one of the victims of these policies. The company's business relies heavily on high-end chips produced in Europe and the United States, but the United States does not allow companies that own these chips to do business with Huawei.
In order to break through this limitation, Huawei launched a big move and began to develop photonic chips. People who don't know about chips may have never heard of such chips. In fact, there are many different sub-fields in the semiconductor industry. The familiar chips basically belong to the field of integrated circuits, while the photonic chip belongs to the field of optoelectronics. The latter is not well-known, but the performance of the chip is far better than ordinary integrated circuits.
The advantage of the photonic chip is in the transmission performance, which can greatly improve the working efficiency of electronic equipment. Now the research on integrated circuits has gradually come to an end and is subject to physical boundaries. When the chip reaches the 2nm field, it is almost impossible to make a smaller chip. , Even if it succeeds, there is no guarantee that its performance will be greatly improved. On the whole, photonic chips are the future of the semiconductor industry.
The most important thing is that research in this field has just started, and European and American countries have not yet formed a monopoly. If China takes the lead in breaking through the application of photonic chips, it can reverse its current disadvantages. In addition, this chip manufacturing process is completely different from the past. It does not require a lithography machine at all, and will use brand-new manufacturing technology. The Dutch media have discovered the most critical point. They claim that the US lithography machine blockade will soon lose its effect. In the future, we may not need these lithography machines at all.
The Russian media did the same The conclusion that with the continuous iteration of technology, the formal significance of US sanctions will be greater than the actual effect. The reason is that the United States has underestimated the R&D capabilities of Chinese companies. The United States wanted to take this opportunity to completely eliminate the possibility of China's entry into the high-end semiconductor market. Unexpectedly, it inspires the courage of Chinese companies to overcome technical difficulties. At the moment, Huawei has taken the right step, pointing to the most cutting-edge chip technology research.
We have another magic weapon
In addition to the layout of photonic chip research, Chinese companies have also prepared another magic weapon, namely carbon-based chips, more accurately graphene chips. Once this chip is successfully developed, it will completely overturn the development trajectory of previous chips. After more than ten years of intensive work in this field, the scientists of the Chinese Academy of Sciences have achieved beautiful results. The first batch of graphene wafers have been offline and the finished products have been displayed to the public, demonstrating China's scientific research level.
This achievement has been recognized by people at home and abroad. China is not the only country studying graphene chips in the world, but there are not many countries that can produce qualified wafers. The introduction of these wafers means that China has ran ahead of many countries on this track and is expected to achieve technological surpassing in this field. All in all, the current chip predicament is not terrible. China is well prepared for the future by deploying photonic chips and graphene chips.
from antonius123 (Pakistan defense forum)
Huawei enters the photonic chip, the Netherlands claims that the blockade of lithography machines is meaningless, Russia: underestimated China's strength
2021/04/04 11:05:01
According to Jilin TV, Huawei has taken a big move and bravely moved forward under the US chip ban, and started research in another field, namely photonic chips. The performance of this chip is better than existing chips, and does not require lithography machines produced by European and American companies. The Dutch media commented on this that the US lithography machine blockade is meaningless, and China may not need these equipment to produce high-end chips in the future. At the same time, the Russian media also attached great importance to this move by Huawei. They said that the United States underestimated the strength and determination of Chinese companies, and the blockade would only arouse challenges from Chinese companies.
Blocking the lithography machine is meaningless
For some time now, the White House has formulated a series of sanctions against Chinese semiconductor companies and communication technology companies. European and American companies are not allowed to sell goods or technologies to companies on the blacklist, including the Dutch ASML company. Manufacturing lithography machine. Huawei is one of the victims of these policies. The company's business relies heavily on high-end chips produced in Europe and the United States, but the United States does not allow companies that own these chips to do business with Huawei.
In order to break through this limitation, Huawei launched a big move and began to develop photonic chips. People who don't know about chips may have never heard of such chips. In fact, there are many different sub-fields in the semiconductor industry. The familiar chips basically belong to the field of integrated circuits, while the photonic chip belongs to the field of optoelectronics. The latter is not well-known, but the performance of the chip is far better than ordinary integrated circuits.
The advantage of the photonic chip is in the transmission performance, which can greatly improve the working efficiency of electronic equipment. Now the research on integrated circuits has gradually come to an end and is subject to physical boundaries. When the chip reaches the 2nm field, it is almost impossible to make a smaller chip. , Even if it succeeds, there is no guarantee that its performance will be greatly improved. On the whole, photonic chips are the future of the semiconductor industry.
The most important thing is that research in this field has just started, and European and American countries have not yet formed a monopoly. If China takes the lead in breaking through the application of photonic chips, it can reverse its current disadvantages. In addition, this chip manufacturing process is completely different from the past. It does not require a lithography machine at all, and will use brand-new manufacturing technology. The Dutch media have discovered the most critical point. They claim that the US lithography machine blockade will soon lose its effect. In the future, we may not need these lithography machines at all.
The Russian media did the same The conclusion that with the continuous iteration of technology, the formal significance of US sanctions will be greater than the actual effect. The reason is that the United States has underestimated the R&D capabilities of Chinese companies. The United States wanted to take this opportunity to completely eliminate the possibility of China's entry into the high-end semiconductor market. Unexpectedly, it inspires the courage of Chinese companies to overcome technical difficulties. At the moment, Huawei has taken the right step, pointing to the most cutting-edge chip technology research.
We have another magic weapon
In addition to the layout of photonic chip research, Chinese companies have also prepared another magic weapon, namely carbon-based chips, more accurately graphene chips. Once this chip is successfully developed, it will completely overturn the development trajectory of previous chips. After more than ten years of intensive work in this field, the scientists of the Chinese Academy of Sciences have achieved beautiful results. The first batch of graphene wafers have been offline and the finished products have been displayed to the public, demonstrating China's scientific research level.
This achievement has been recognized by people at home and abroad. China is not the only country studying graphene chips in the world, but there are not many countries that can produce qualified wafers. The introduction of these wafers means that China has ran ahead of many countries on this track and is expected to achieve technological surpassing in this field. All in all, the current chip predicament is not terrible. China is well prepared for the future by deploying photonic chips and graphene chips.
good news! About EUV lithography machine, Tsinghua University made great contributions
2021/04/04 11:51:19
Huawei's experience today has made many people aware of the importance of chips. If they cannot have an indispensable position in the chip field, then when other chip powers want to target us, we may not be able to fight back. Today Huawei is a living example.
In order to improve the autonomy of Chinese chips,last year, the state took the lead in establishing an integrated integrated circuit industrial base in Shanghai, aiming to build China's chip highland. At the same time, China's most powerful scientific research institutionChinese Academy of Sciences also announced an important decision to release a signal that the entire Academy will conquer core technologies such as lithography machines.
As we all know, in the chip production process, the lithography machine is the most critical equipment, and in the lithography machine, China is probably at the international intermediate level.At present, the most powerful lithography machine manufacturing company in China is Shanghai Microelectronics. The top lithography machine it can produce is a 22nm lithography machine, and the EUV light produced by the world's top lithography machine manufacturer ASML Compared with the engraving machine, there is still a certain gap.
Obviously, if China wants to gain a real say in the chip field, it must solve the problem of lithography machine.
Before that, the biggest obstacle that restricted China from building its own EUV lithography machine was the light source!
At this stage, the light source used in the lithography machine independently developed by China is deep ultraviolet light, while the light source required by the EUV lithography machine is extreme ultraviolet light.Although the difference between the two is only one word, it is not a simple matter to break through from deep ultraviolet light to extreme ultraviolet light.
Tsinghua University has done a great job!
If you want to make a domestic lithography machine, the first problem to be solved is the light source!What makes us happy is that on February 25th, good news came out suddenly. Regarding EUV lithography machines, Tsinghua University has done a great job!It is reported thatTsinghua University has completed the first principle verification experiment of a new type of particle accelerator light source "Steady-state microbunching" (SSMB).
From the content of the related report,Based on the SSMB principle, we can obtain high-power, high-repetition, and narrow-bandwidth coherent radiation, and the wavelength can cover the band from terahertz to extreme ultraviolet (EUV).In other words, the verification of the SSMB principle indicates that Chinese scientists have found the direction to manufacture domestic EUV lithography machines, and continue to research and develop, and it is expected to produce real domestic EUV lithography machines.
Summary
Key technologies cannot be bought. If we cannot have the right to speak in the core technologies, then being stuck by other countries will become the norm.It is not just a lithography machine. It is hoped that in other cutting-edge technology fields, Chinese scientists can also overcome the core difficulties as soon as possible and achieve true technological independence. A tribute to every Chinese scientist who silently contributes behind the scenes.
Finally,I also hope that domestic Internet giants can take a long-term view, make more contributions to the country's technological progress, do less loans, and compete with small businesses and hawkers. Food business.
manqiangrexue
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Generally, 700+ page reports weren't written to be read or to be useful. They were made long, wordy, and pointless to make the author seem contemplative, intelligent and credible so that others believe him without (too many) questions. I'll bet everything that's said in the report is said 10+ times in slightly different ways just to take up more space. The US is still struggling with it because they have the most at stake even though in the back of their minds, they most likely know they can't stop China. Korea and Japan probably know good and well that China's about to turn the lithography/semi fab industry tits up in a couple of years but are just playing along cus you have to entertain your desperate friend's crazy whims while he's freaking out.
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@antonius123 bro you should post more and I apologized for reposting your post from Pakistan defense forum here without your permission.good news! About EUV lithography machine, Tsinghua University made great contributions
2021/04/04 11:51:19
Huawei's experience today has made many people aware of the importance of chips. If they cannot have an indispensable position in the chip field, then when other chip powers want to target us, we may not be able to fight back. Today Huawei is a living example.
In order to improve the autonomy of Chinese chips,last year, the state took the lead in establishing an integrated integrated circuit industrial base in Shanghai, aiming to build China's chip highland. At the same time, China's most powerful scientific research institutionChinese Academy of Sciences also announced an important decision to release a signal that the entire Academy will conquer core technologies such as lithography machines.
As we all know, in the chip production process, the lithography machine is the most critical equipment, and in the lithography machine, China is probably at the international intermediate level.At present, the most powerful lithography machine manufacturing company in China is Shanghai Microelectronics. The top lithography machine it can produce is a 22nm lithography machine, and the EUV light produced by the world's top lithography machine manufacturer ASML Compared with the engraving machine, there is still a certain gap.
Obviously, if China wants to gain a real say in the chip field, it must solve the problem of lithography machine.
Before that, the biggest obstacle that restricted China from building its own EUV lithography machine was the light source!
At this stage, the light source used in the lithography machine independently developed by China is deep ultraviolet light, while the light source required by the EUV lithography machine is extreme ultraviolet light.Although the difference between the two is only one word, it is not a simple matter to break through from deep ultraviolet light to extreme ultraviolet light.
Tsinghua University has done a great job!
If you want to make a domestic lithography machine, the first problem to be solved is the light source!What makes us happy is that on February 25th, good news came out suddenly. Regarding EUV lithography machines, Tsinghua University has done a great job!
It is reported thatTsinghua University has completed the first principle verification experiment of a new type of particle accelerator light source "Steady-state microbunching" (SSMB).
From the content of the related report,Based on the SSMB principle, we can obtain high-power, high-repetition, and narrow-bandwidth coherent radiation, and the wavelength can cover the band from terahertz to extreme ultraviolet (EUV).In other words, the verification of the SSMB principle indicates that Chinese scientists have found the direction to manufacture domestic EUV lithography machines, and continue to research and develop, and it is expected to produce real domestic EUV lithography machines.
Summary
Key technologies cannot be bought. If we cannot have the right to speak in the core technologies, then being stuck by other countries will become the norm.
It is not just a lithography machine. It is hoped that in other cutting-edge technology fields, Chinese scientists can also overcome the core difficulties as soon as possible and achieve true technological independence. A tribute to every Chinese scientist who silently contributes behind the scenes.
Finally,I also hope that domestic Internet giants can take a long-term view, make more contributions to the country's technological progress, do less loans, and compete with small businesses and hawkers. Food business.
Your welcome bro.
No problem, you are free to reposting my post from Pakistan defense forum here; besides the news is openly accessed in internet by anyone.
good news! About EUV lithography machine, Tsinghua University made great contributions
2021/04/04 11:51:19
Huawei's experience today has made many people aware of the importance of chips. If they cannot have an indispensable position in the chip field, then when other chip powers want to target us, we may not be able to fight back. Today Huawei is a living example.
In order to improve the autonomy of Chinese chips,last year, the state took the lead in establishing an integrated integrated circuit industrial base in Shanghai, aiming to build China's chip highland. At the same time, China's most powerful scientific research institutionChinese Academy of Sciences also announced an important decision to release a signal that the entire Academy will conquer core technologies such as lithography machines.
As we all know, in the chip production process, the lithography machine is the most critical equipment, and in the lithography machine, China is probably at the international intermediate level.At present, the most powerful lithography machine manufacturing company in China is Shanghai Microelectronics. The top lithography machine it can produce is a 22nm lithography machine, and the EUV light produced by the world's top lithography machine manufacturer ASML Compared with the engraving machine, there is still a certain gap.
Obviously, if China wants to gain a real say in the chip field, it must solve the problem of lithography machine.
Before that, the biggest obstacle that restricted China from building its own EUV lithography machine was the light source!
At this stage, the light source used in the lithography machine independently developed by China is deep ultraviolet light, while the light source required by the EUV lithography machine is extreme ultraviolet light.Although the difference between the two is only one word, it is not a simple matter to break through from deep ultraviolet light to extreme ultraviolet light.
Tsinghua University has done a great job!
If you want to make a domestic lithography machine, the first problem to be solved is the light source!What makes us happy is that on February 25th, good news came out suddenly. Regarding EUV lithography machines, Tsinghua University has done a great job!
It is reported thatTsinghua University has completed the first principle verification experiment of a new type of particle accelerator light source "Steady-state microbunching" (SSMB).
From the content of the related report,Based on the SSMB principle, we can obtain high-power, high-repetition, and narrow-bandwidth coherent radiation, and the wavelength can cover the band from terahertz to extreme ultraviolet (EUV).In other words, the verification of the SSMB principle indicates that Chinese scientists have found the direction to manufacture domestic EUV lithography machines, and continue to research and develop, and it is expected to produce real domestic EUV lithography machines.
Summary
Key technologies cannot be bought. If we cannot have the right to speak in the core technologies, then being stuck by other countries will become the norm.
It is not just a lithography machine. It is hoped that in other cutting-edge technology fields, Chinese scientists can also overcome the core difficulties as soon as possible and achieve true technological independence. A tribute to every Chinese scientist who silently contributes behind the scenes.
Finally,I also hope that domestic Internet giants can take a long-term view, make more contributions to the country's technological progress, do less loans, and compete with small businesses and hawkers. Food business.
This is not even remotely related to lithography machine; it has been clarified. Some people can get easily excited by something rather far-fetched or they're just cashing in on the craze on anything litho.
Yes, to everyone, please exercise restraint and use some time to try and verify the content and relevance of articles before just posting them here.
I understand semiconductors are growing in interest here but use some restraint and assess sources critically, or at least if you are unsure about the veracity of a claim feel free to post the article and post your own thoughts and questions about it.
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