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Oldschool

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This is exceptionally grave situation for Taiwan and TSMC.

Without TSMC, the Taiwanese economy could be based soley on pineapple exports.

TSMC could come out very soon and declare they are selling to the China market, all restrictions are complied with or ignored.

If they do not that soon, then in a couple of years they still will be banned from one market, and that other market has it own supply of chips that is subsidized by the US Fed via the printing press, which means they won't be able to compete.

TSMC must act now, in a couple of months, otherwise in 5 years they could be finished.
TSMC fallen, it's engineers can go mainland. All good.
 

Phead128

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His comment was specifically about China issue, not about the US politics in general. Besides, COVID relief bill is different in nature that it's an internal issue aimed at Americans which involves no common enemy.
My original comment was about US politics on China issue. Go re-read the parent thread.

Also, COVID is already an common enemy of the entire US people and US economy, and yet they couldn't even agree bipartisanship over COVID relief! That's despite majority of Republicans voters supporting the bill, and it still got zero Republican support in the House. That proves that nothing is simple as automatic bipartisanship, not over China or COVID, both are allegedly "enemy of US people".
 

WTAN

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@WTAN, what do think of China semiconductor domestic supply of parts for equipments, quartz, RF generator, vaccum pump, valve, Chuck, shower head, edge ring? Have to be semiconductor grade.

中国半导体卡脖子的源头之一:设备零部件
追求中国电子信息产业的供应链安全和完整的本土生态体系是一个循序渐进的艰难历程,最初层级是芯片的自主开发和生产,进而衍生出对国产设备的需求。但事实表明,即使设备能国产也还不够。美国制裁中国晶圆制造企业,部分中国设备厂商也不得不屈从于美国禁令,其根源还是在关键零部件上依赖美国。零部件相比于设备整机而言市场规模不大,但确实是典型的以小制大的卡脖子环节。

2020年,中国大陆晶圆线8吋和12吋前道设备零部件采购金额超过10亿美元。如果排除三星、海力士、台积电等境外厂商在中国大陆的产线,中国本土晶圆制造厂商(主要包括中芯国际、华虹集团、华润微电子、长江存储等)采购金额(口径统一为8吋和12吋前道设备零部件,后文同)约为4.3亿美元。中国晶圆制造厂商采购的设备零部件主要有石英(Quartz)、射频发生器(RF Generator)、各种泵(Pump)等,占零部件采购金额的比重达到或超过10%。此外,各种阀门(Valve)、吸盘(Chuck)、反应腔喷淋头(Shower Head)、边缘环(Edge Ring)等零部件的采购占比也比较高。
I believe that they are working hard on developing a complete supply chain of China made Semiconductor Equipment Parts.
China has many manufacturers of all types of general parts like Pumps, Valves etc. as China is the largest Manufacturing country in the world. China is known as the Worlds factory.
The challenge is to get these manufacturers to build quality parts suitable for specialised use in Semiconductor machinery.
It just takes time. European and Japanese parts makers have been supplying to the Semiconductor Industry for much longer and their quality is good.
 

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Russia traditionally very strong at applied physics. Cymer has alot of Russian scientists. If China enlist Russia into EUV alliance it will make bond between the two countries much stronger as underlying technology used in society is shared. Russia also has plan to master the 5nm tech by 2030. The combined effort will increase the chance of success developing EUV. This will prevent Russia from flip-flop it's strategic stance. As of now bond is mainly from anti US. But EUV technology is building block of society. Russia still much more easier to infiltrate the west. It can spy on ASML know how much easier than China possibly could. What Russia and EU lack is technology process. But SMIC has process tech developed from Taiwanese factor. China can license the process tech to Russia.
And Russia can setup it's own EUV fab. It's a win win situation for both. Xi should directly talk to Putin about this EUV alliance
 
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AndrewS

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Article on Semiconductors below.

China can immediately aim for the 75% of semiconductor foundry revenue that is not dependent on EUV lithography machines.



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voyager1

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Article on Semiconductors below.

China can immediately aim for the 75% of semiconductor foundry revenue that is not dependent on EUV lithography machines.



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This is exactly the kind of data I was looking for to see how far China is to reduce its chip imports.

This chart, in my view, shows what a massive mistake was this semiconductors war. So China (after finishing 28 nm tech) can in theory grab a maximum of 75 per cent share of all chip revenue. This is so huge it will strangle the western semiconductor companies.

So from this chart, I am guessing that by late 2023 we will see a significant drop in chip imports by China.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Korea is still undecided whether to latch on anti China tech embargo
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With so many considerations, South Korea has yet to provide a definitive answer to Washington’s unofficial offer to join a coalition with the U.S. and Japan to deal with North Korea and China. Foreign Minister Chung Eui-yong has said that South Korea is seeking an early summit with the U.S. as it aims for a “comprehensive” development of bilateral relations.

The key question is how the government will respond to the Biden administration on the issue of tech transfers to China, said Mathieu Duchatel, head of the Asia program at the Institut Montaigne in Paris, who researches the geopolitical dimension of semiconductors.

Biden’s emerging approach appears to be to build small coalitions depending on the technology involved to update export controls and deny access to Beijing, he said. For South Korea, “especially under the Moon administration and its North [Korea] policy, it’s clear that they won’t be as confrontational on tech.”


South Korea’s best card may be that, as much as it needs to stay in the good graces of both the U.S. and China, they in turn need the irreplaceable skills of its chip industry. That reliance is growing: Samsung makes more than a third of the world’s memory chips and an increasing portion of the advanced logic that’s at the heart of the world’s phones and computers. When you add in Samsung’s local rival SK Hynix, the need for Korean chips only grows.
 
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