Chinese semiconductor industry

localizer said:

This is the kind of shit that starts thing like pearl harbor.

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AssassinsMace said:

Are they assuming "China-free" stops China? That's actually more important to the US because like I've been saying in this forum the US wants control of literally everything because that is the only way they will believe they are in control. China just existing disturbs them mightily. They're worried especially now because of how China is the only country growing in the world without the US and the West in the midst of a pandemic. That's how much they thought nobody could live without them. I was watching a German TV show on the Roman Empire from their perspective. I've heard many US politicians especially on the right express an admiration for the Roman Empire and much of the US government culture was fashioned after the Roman Empire. One of the characters speak of the Romans seeking friendship and the main character says, "The Romans don't seek friendship. They seek domination."

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quantumlight said:

I view it as Biden's approach to make sure China never becomes independent in IC/semiconductors... By getting Japan and Korea to isolate China on this chips matter, in effect all of East Asia is in the US camp of containment of China tech development now

The long trend, economy and military follows technology as laggards. That means if US can cap and contain China tech rise and prevent it from being able to make or get access to chips, then it can kill three birds with one stone.

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foofy said:

Politic aside, a magnitude 7 earthquake in Kaohsiung will severely damage the global chip supply chain. Chine better prepare for this and invest heavily in chip manufacturing.

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quantumlight said:

I view it as Biden's approach to make sure China never becomes independent in IC/semiconductors... By getting Japan and Korea to isolate China on this chips matter, in effect all of East Asia is in the US camp of containment of China tech development now

The long trend, economy and military follows technology as laggards. That means if US can cap and contain China tech rise and prevent it from being able to make or get access to chips, then it can kill three birds with one stone.

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localizer said:

Not just China, but any Chinese in the field that gives a damn about his/her survival.

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quantumlight said:

I view it as Biden's approach to make sure China never becomes independent in IC/semiconductors... By getting Japan and Korea to isolate China on this chips matter, in effect all of East Asia is in the US camp of containment of China tech development now

The long trend, economy and military follows technology as laggards. That means if US can cap and contain China tech rise and prevent it from being able to make or get access to chips, then it can kill three birds with one stone.

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emblem21 said:

None of these stop gap measures are going to solve the current crisis in the USA and also what is going to stop Japan, Korea and China from working together to make a chip course independent of the USA given that they can sanction anyone for any reason. Super conductor chips is one of the last major cards that the USA can play and if that fails (I mean what can the USA do with those chips when China is the one using them in such a scale). I view Biden as man with thinks he has a plan but is ultimately pushing most nations away from the USA though sanctions and wars. I mean not many nations like to be told what to do and Biden is still pushing other arround like Trump is. Once again, with all the stores closing in the USA , can Biden afford to play around with another countries Chance to make money because he fears China, he is going to have to face a situation where people will kill for food and supplies, both of which are dwindling due to the pandemic, Texas blizzard and economy collapsing. If he played his cards now, then he has all but lost especially when his hands have been depleted

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AssassinsMace said:

That article about Biden seeking US technological independence is really about domestic politics. They spun it to make it about China. The US is already having trouble getting the world together against China in general. Easier said than done. Look at what Trump did and now there's a global chip shortage. Like I've said everything in the US costs more to do therefore all their products they make themselves will cost more. The US chip industry is calling for the US government to help them go domestic. In other words they want a never-ending subsidy. The expensive costs to create a domestic industry will come at the expense of the tax payer. Then add to that Europe is going to make their own chips. That ain't good for the US especially Europe will most likely sell their chips to China to offset the high cost when they do it themselves. I can easily spin that story to be about screwing the US. Anyone who makes their own chips is because they want to also be able to sell them to China. There's a great money making opportunity for them.

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AssassinsMace said:

That article about Biden seeking US technological independence is really about domestic politics. They spun it to make it about China. The US is already having trouble getting the world together against China in general. Easier said than done. Look at what Trump did and now there's a global chip shortage. Like I've said everything in the US costs more to do therefore all their products they make themselves will cost more. The US chip industry is calling for the US government to help them go domestic. In other words they want a never-ending subsidy. The expensive costs to create a domestic industry will come at the expense of the tax payer. Then add to that Europe is going to make their own chips. That ain't good for the US especially Europe will most likely sell their chips to China to offset the high cost when they do it themselves. I can easily spin that story to be about screwing the US. Anyone who makes their own chips is because they want to also be able to sell them to China. There's a great money making opportunity for them.

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