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horse

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A company like Huawei, is not interested in replicating that ASML machine for EUV. They would want that synchrotron.

They would do it too. That is how ruthless and determined they are.

Put it another way, suppose you work at the Chinese government, making these decisions.

Who do you want, leading this project? You want the best player on the team to lead China Inc.

It is like sports. In hockey, on the power play, they put their best player on the ice. In basketball when comes down to the last shot for the game, you want the ball in hands of your best player.

We all know who that is.

Then, of course, Huawei denies everything.

Nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.

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You know what brother ansy1968, Huawei might really do own its own fab.

In this very thread, there was discussion on how Huawei was collaborating with others to build their own fab. Then that story went dark. Rarely was a word spoken about it for over a 1½ year.

Huawei is one of the biggest companies in China. It's revenue is kind of like 10x to 15x times of SMIC.

Suppose SMIC builds a fab, or someone builds a fab, then Huawei with the encouragement of the government, licenses that fab with exclusive rights to only produce Huawei chips. Essentially a vertical integration for Huawei, like a mini-takeover of a single fab, built by someone else.

Then, of course, Huawei denies everything. That company will still not confirm that the Mate 60 Pro is a 5G phone with a 7nm chip.

Nothing to see here folks, keep moving along!

:p
Bro Carl Sagan quote's personified Huawei “Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence” ;)
 

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3.457 billion yuan! Baotou·Beijing Science and Technology Innovation Base introduced Century Jinguang Semiconductor project and successfully signed a contract in Baotou​


The Baotou Municipal People’s Government and Beijing Century Jinguang Semiconductor Co., Ltd. officially signed a strategic cooperation agreement in Baotou City for the “Annual Production of 700,000 Pieces of 6-8-inch Silicon Carbide Single Crystal Substrate Project”.
The project is introduced with the assistance of Baotou · Beijing Science and Technology Innovation Base and is planned to be launched in Qingshan District Equipment Manufacturing Industrial Park, Baotou City. The total investment is 3.457 billion yuan. The total construction period of the project is 3 years . When it is officially put into operation, it will have an annual output of 700,000 pieces . The 6-8- inch single crystal substrate production line also includes silicon carbide single crystal growth, cutting, polishing and testing, etc. , which will effectively promote the growth of the crystalline silicon industry in Qingshan District and help the equipment manufacturing park develop new crystalline silicon products.

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You know what brother ansy1968, Huawei might really do own its own fab.

In this very thread, there was discussion on how Huawei was collaborating with others to build their own fab. Then that story went dark. Rarely was a word spoken about it for over a 1½ year.

Huawei is one of the biggest companies in China. It's revenue is kind of like 10x to 15x times of SMIC.

Suppose SMIC builds a fab, or someone builds a fab, then Huawei with the encouragement of the government, licenses that fab with exclusive rights to only produce Huawei chips. Essentially a vertical integration for Huawei, like a mini-takeover of a single fab, built by someone else.

Then, of course, Huawei denies everything. That company will still not confirm that the Mate 60 Pro is a 5G phone with a 7nm chip.

Nothing to see here folks, keep moving along!

:p
I reported this like a month ago, lol. people keep up with the times.

Huawei the company is basically Chairman Mao.

Chairman Mao could move rivers and mountains. Huawei is just the same when it comes to the tech they are interested in.

A company like Huawei, is not interested in replicating that ASML machine for EUV. They would want that synchrotron.

They would do it too. That is how ruthless and determined they are.

Put it another way, suppose you work at the Chinese government, making these decisions.

Who do you want, leading this project? You want the best player on the team to lead China Inc.

It is like sports. In hockey, on the power play, they put their best player on the ice. In basketball when comes down to the last shot for the game, you want the ball in hands of your best player.

We all know who that is.

Then, of course, Huawei denies everything.

Nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.

:cool:
They are really not. HW is their own beast. They became what they are due to their circumstances. Any reference to Mao again on a technology thread will get you warned.
 

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Graphical exposure equipment is upgraded and photovoltaics continue to be shipped​


On October 12, Xinqi Micro Devices continued to ship laser direct writing lithography equipment to leading photovoltaic companies to help customers develop high-efficiency battery technology.
At the same time, the Gen-2 generation solar cell lithography equipment and graphical wiring system developed by Xinqi have been upgraded and will be sent to a leading enterprise for mass production testing. Xinqi Micro-Device will continue to launch different solutions and equipment for the research, development and production of various high-efficiency solar cells in the field of new energy, and actively contribute to the development of the domestic green energy industry. At present, Xinqi Micro-Device continues to actively cooperate with a number of leading battery companies. In the future, it will continue to deepen its photovoltaic business and strive to become the world's leading photovoltaic and semiconductor integrated service provider and realize Xinqi Micro-device as an "IC equipment world brand" enterprise. Vision.

in the field of IC substrates, the company has launched a new product MAS10, which has already reserved IC Substrate with 3-4um resolution capability; in the field of plate making lithography machines, the company will launch mass production of lithography equipment for 90nm node plate making needs as soon as possible; at the wafer level In the field of packaging, the company's WLP series products can be used in the advanced packaging field of 8inch/12inch integrated circuits, including advanced packaging forms such as FlipChip, Fan-InWLP, Fan-OutWLP and 2.5D/3D. In the Mini/MicroLED packaging process of new displays, the company's NEX series products have been used in the MiniLED packaging process; in the lead frame field, the company implements a major customer strategy, thereby driving up revenue in the pan-semiconductor field.

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Alright, we have clear rules on this forum to respect moderators. Being a long time member does not exempt you from that. @horse

Please respect moderator orders
 

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Looks like possible new Zhaoxin KX-8000 processor is coming out according to linux kernel development notes

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+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8a, "KX-6000 HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8b, "KX-6000 HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8c, "KX-6000G HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8d, "KX-6000G HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8e, "KX-8000 HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f8f, "KX-8000 HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),
+HDA_CODEC_ENTRY(0x1d179f90, "KX-8000 HDMI/DP", patch_zx_hdmi),

Zhaoxin is the x86 clone but there is rumor they are transitioning to RISC-V since they are part of the consortium. There is also suppose to be an KX-7000 but that is skipped ??
 
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Can China Leapfrog ASML in Its Quest for Semiconductor Self-Reliance?​



Is this a bad take or an accurate take?

"All these patents are, however, specifically for creating an EUV light source, rather than the machine as a whole. "

"Furthermore, the light source requires an array of gases, light collectors and amplifiers, and magnetic field technology in order to work and so far, China has been unsuccessful in the development of any of these components. It is predicted by specialists that it will take a minimum of two years for China to create these light sources. "


How far is China from a domestic EUV? 3? 5? 10? 15? I have seen them all by various people.
I wonder to what extent this article is full of holes...
 

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Announcement: Announcement of the environmental protection acceptance of the phased completion of the industrialization project of Andecoming with an annual output of 210 tons of high-purity electronic materials​

This project is located east of Linjin Avenue and south of Tongguo Road in the Eastern Park of Tongling Economic and Technological Development Zone. This project is a new project with an estimated total investment of 170.98 million yuan . It is planned to build 2 production workshops ( 100 workshop, 200 workshop), 3 warehouses ( 701 Class A warehouse, 702 Class A warehouse, 703 Class C warehouse ), and 1 office building. Building (including testing room ), 1 power workshop, central control room, sewage treatment station and other public auxiliary projects, the total construction area of the project is approximately 17,300 square meters. This project purchases relevant production equipment and builds a production line for electronic special materials. After this project is fully completed and put into operation, it can achieve an annual production of approximately 210 tons of electronic special materials . Project products include: hafnium-based products ( Hf- based products), silicon-based products ( Si -based products), titanium tetrachloride, trimethylaluminum, terpinene, methyldiethoxysilane, zirconium -based products ( Zr -based Products), titanium-based products ( Ti -based products ), tantalum-based products ( Ta -based products ), tin-based products ( Sn- based products ), ethyl orthosilicate, cyclooctane (electronic grade).

Hefei Andecoming Semiconductor Technology Co., Ltd. was established in May 2018 and is committed to the independent research and development, production and sales of high-purity semiconductor thin film (ALD, CVD) precursor materials. The company masters the world's leading functional thin film precursor material technology and has completely independent intellectual property rights, filling the domestic gap and breaking overseas monopoly.

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(Bloomberg) -- The Biden administration will tighten sweeping measures announced last October to restrict China’s access to advanced semiconductors and chipmaking gear, as the US seeks to prevent its geopolitical rival from developing cutting-edge tech that could give it a military edge.

The latest rules aim to refine and close loopholes from last year’s curbs, according to people familiar with the matter. The Biden administration seeks to strengthen controls on selling graphics chips for artificial intelligence applications and advanced chipmaking equipment to Chinese firms, the people said, asking not to be named because the rules aren’t yet public.

The US will also add Chinese chip design firms to a trade restriction list, requiring overseas manufacturers to gain a US license to fill orders from those companies, and impose additional checks on Chinese firms attempting to evade the export restrictions by routing shipments through other nations.

The US unveiled its original export control restrictions a year ago in an aggressive bid to curtail China’s technological development, a step it argued was necessary for national security at a time of rising geopolitical tensions. Beijing has bristled at the regulations and accelerated investments in developing its own technological capabilities.

The updated restrictions will be published early this week, people familiar with the internal deliberations said. A spokesman for the National Security Council declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security.

The tighter rules come as China has made some progress in developing its domestic tech capabilities. Huawei Technologies Co., a Chinese telecommunications giant at the heart of US-China tensions, quietly introduced a new smartphone in August powered by an advanced, 7-nanometer processor. A teardown of the phone revealed the chip was produced by a Chinese company, demonstrating manufacturing capabilities well beyond what US export curbs had attempted to block.

That achievement cast doubt on Washington’s ability to thwart Beijing’s technological ambitions, and spurred significant political pressure for the Biden administration to slap more sanctions on Huawei and its chipmaking partner, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp.

The US has begun a formal investigation into the Huawei phone. Any resulting restrictions on Huawei or SMIC would be a separate process from the new export control rules.

The latest rules address several key issues of US-China tech policy, particularly the development of artificial intelligence technology and the shipment of technologies through other countries.

The new controls on graphics chips concern components called accelerators, which are used in data centers to train AI software. The Biden administration is tweaking the parameters which govern the export of those chips to China — a move that comes after Nvidia Corp., the leader in the field, developed a China-specific model to work around last year’s curbs.

The rules will continue to restrict shipments of certain chips to Chinese companies’ overseas subsidiaries and affiliates, and begin requiring a license to export prohibited technologies to countries that could be used as intermediaries.


At the same time, Washington has relented to companies’ calls for fewer blanket restrictions, as industry leaders say they need the ability to sell into the world’s largest chip market. Under the new rules, firms will be allowed to export to China all but the most powerful consumer graphics chips, which are typically used in gamer PCs, and will have to notify the US government before shipping a select few consumer chips at the cutting edge.

Nvidia and rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc. rely on their massive consumer chip sales to perfect and fund their research and development of data center technology.

The US also extended waivers for South Korea firms Samsung Electronics Co. and SK Hynix Inc., plus Taiwanese chip giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., to continue shipping some restricted chipmaking technology to their facilities in China.
 
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