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PopularScience

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Someone's analysis on progress of photoresist for different for different firms.
Looks like he is biased to Sinyang, but they are probably also ahead.
For example, it's the sole domestic supplier of Krf photoresist, etching solution & electroplating fluid to YMTC for their 128 layer process.

SMIC's electroplating solution is exclusively provided by Sinyang and it is also using their cleaning solution. Arf photoresist is getting verified on SMIC Jincheng fab. Looks like Sinyang will be SMIC's important photoresist supplier in the future.
It's also looking to build its own photoresist supply chain
It has 3 500t krf/Arf project and will have 1000t production capability by end of 2022 and 1500t by 2025 (I assume he got it wrong with 2015)

Nata looks a little iffy, because they could not buy 28nm photoresist testing equipment. Has 25t are production capability, but looks like they are likely losing some people as a result of that.
If calculation of european_guy is correct, 1000t of photoresist is enough for 200,000 wafer per month of YMTC.

1000t / 0.38 t * 1000 wafer = 2,631,578 wafer
 

ansy1968

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According to many Korean news articles, Samsung just hired a former TSMC high level officer....

He was assigned as a vice president of Samsung.

Samsung's goal is to catch up with the advanced packaging technologies from TSMC.

Chinese government should not lose Taiwanese talents to Korea....

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Bro we have Liang Mong Song and I believed among former TSMC engineer he is the best. ;) And another thing, recruiting more talent without the necessary tools to exploit it is a waste of resource. So the focus for now borrowing the famous quote from our professor @tokenanalyst is "tools, tools and more tools"
 
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If calculation of european_guy is correct, 1000t of photoresist is enough for 200,000 wafer per month of YMTC.

1000t / 0.38 t * 1000 wafer = 2,631,578 wafer

Actually I have calculated total photoresist (Arf + Krf + i-line): 380Kg total photoresist for 1000 wafers

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they say "In total, there are 38 lithography exposures at 32nm/28nm, 15 of which are immersion exposures"

The big problem is of course the Arf photoresist. KrF suspension (while knowing that YMTC has anyhow an alternative) could be a "warning" salvo.

Chinese govt. has diplomatic channels with Japan to ask them what is all this suspension about. We at the moment don't have any clue on why they came out with this thing, nor we know if the intention of Japanese government is to escalate it to Arf or to blackmail with KrF for some hidden negotiation with China....

Anyhow quite a bold move by Japan. China will not forget it even in 20 years.
 

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Actually I have calculated total photoresist (Arf + Krf + i-line): 380Kg total photoresist for 1000 wafers

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they say "In total, there are 38 lithography exposures at 32nm/28nm, 15 of which are immersion exposures"

The big problem is of course the Arf photoresist. KrF suspension (while knowing that YMTC has anyhow an alternative) could be a "warning" salvo.

Chinese govt. has diplomatic channels with Japan to ask them what is all this suspension about. We at the moment don't have any clue on why they came out with this thing, nor we know if the intention of Japanese government is to escalate it to Arf or to blackmail with KrF for some hidden negotiation with China....

Anyhow quite a bold move by Japan. China will not forget it even in 20 years.
How hard is it to switch to Arf photoresist production?
 

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EUV news

2023.3.7 Good news: The ultra-high-precision laser interferometer for vacuum was successfully tested in a user unit.

The displacement resolution is 5pm, and the standard deviation of displacement measurement reaches 30pm.

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Chinese govt. has diplomatic channels with Japan to ask them what is all this suspension about. We at the moment don't have any clue on why they came out with this thing, nor we know if the intention of Japanese government is to escalate it to Arf or to blackmail with KrF for some hidden negotiation with China....

Anyhow quite a bold move by Japan. China will not forget it even in 20 years.
Why speculate about Japan's motives?

If the news is true, then its pretty clear to me that this development is part of the secret US-Netherlands-Japan agreement to restrict China's IC development
 

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This is a good point you just brought. People think China is under extreme pressure, but the truth is the pressure could be 100 times bigger. In addition to applying sanctions and pressures on companies, like what you mentioned, US could also pressure companies with sanctions if they put Chinese chips into their products, essentially cutting off alot of potential market for Chinese made semiconductors. Chinese chips could be only used by Chinese brands and only in China and other poorer countries that does not ban Chinese products in the future. If things like Tiktok, Cranes, subway train cars could be accused as spy tools and potentially banned (train cars already banned), then you can imagine they will pretty much ban anything that has Chinese chips in the future.

China needs to plan the worst case scenario which is total ban and sanctions on all transactions and trade with China by US and its loyal allies. China needs to basically grow without trade and connection with 50% of world nominal GDP that is currently held by the west.
They can't, that's why they are not doing it. China has the 2nd largest fab capacity after South Korea, cut that from the market and the semiconductor shortage of 2021 will be a walk in the park. It is not as issue with the most advanced nodes because they are only manufactured in two countries and the capacity does not need to be as high as mature nodes since they are extremely expensive and only needed in select few products. That's not even mentioning the fact that enforcing such a thing would be a pain the ass since China is also the largest importer of semiconductors because it is the largest electronics exporter. The only way to ensure that sanction works would be to prohibit all electronics coming from China and that would be a disaster for the West - consumer electronics, hardware parts, cars, etc. would jump X-fold in price and utterly decimate their already ailing economies via collapse of their middle class.
 

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From the clue we gather from our esteem members 2024 we may see an EUVL prototype, late 2025 verification with it the materials needed like mask, photoresist and in 2027 mass production of 5nm or even 3nm chips.
Way too optimistic. I am OK if we will see China running a EUV prototype by 2027. From there commercialization will take a few more years. For parity with ASML, 2040 is more realistic.
 
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