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But we don't know if this is lithography machine or something else, right?
-Is not a packaging facility.
-Is not a FPD facility.
-It doesn't look like a discrete device facility.
-It says 300mm or 12" IC fabrication facility in Wuxi.
-SMEE 300 series machines are for power devices and 150mm or 6" wafers.
-Their annealing tools are more for SIC and power devices.
 

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-Is not a packaging facility.
-Is not a FPD facility.
-It doesn't look like a discrete device facility.
-It says 300mm or 12" IC fabrication facility in Wuxi.
-SMEE 300 series machines are for power devices and 150mm or 6" wafers.
-Their annealing tools are more for SIC and power devices.
I agree with this. Just that since their Wuxi fab is known for also producing power chips for auto industry, could this order be for annealing tools? I just want to make sure to not overlook things here.
 

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I agree with this. Just that since their Wuxi fab is known for also producing power chips for auto industry, could this order be for annealing tools? I just want to make sure to not overlook things here.
I weird because looks like this is the first time they have won an bid from this fab and probably this company. I will better to wait to see until laoyaoba.com publish a list the next month.

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@olalavn that's just Glenfly, they produce 28nm process GPU

anyhow, this is why I hate using Bloomberg as a source.

Reuters is now reporting basically a deal hasn't even been reached. Japan is still figuring out what type of restrictions to impose. They are doing slowly, because I bet all the business community is telling them to not screw themselves.
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Japanese chipmaker to target China despite export restrictions
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This (non-)agreement among the US, Japan and Netherland on the restrictions of SEM sales to China sounds fishy. That they refuse to publish any details of the agreements further raises the doubt on the nature of restrictions. It might be they agreed in principle that both Netherland and Japan will take some actions, yet they could not agree on what those restrictions should be. As a result, they don't have an agreement to announce or it was a bit of embarrassing (for the US) to announce a non-agreement agreement. As usual, the Anglo-Saxon media report/push/sell very hard on their agenda, often prematurely.

We have known ASML's and Dutch government's stands on the issue for quite some time now. Japanese don't loudly speak out their minds, but the actions of their SEM companies in China speak loudly. Japan wanted badly to revive and grow their semiconductor industry. China represents 20-25% of the business of TEL, their biggest SEM company. Without Chinese market, their prospects will become a lot dimmer. The US ban of its SEM companies doing business in China actually lifts the hope of Japanese SEM industry, giving them a very good opportunity to grow and expand.

Japan has been in a long and steady decline industry after industry.
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that it will terminate its plan to develop Japan's first domestically manufactured passenger jet, after 15 years' development and $7.6 billion investment, because it simply could not get pass FAA regulations. Japan's automobile industry, the most important of their manufacturing industries, is facing an existential threat from EV and EV makers from other countries. No new, competitive industry of any significance has emerged from Japan over the last few decades. I understand Japan has a long history of hara-kiri and kamikaze, but can we expect Japan at least act in their own economic and national interest this time?
 
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Not to spam, but it's absolutely hilarious to me that these American "analysts" don't even bother to look at non American semi equipment suppliers.
btw guys, this is big
$6 to 7 billion in Capex in 2023 would be the combined total of UMC and GlobalFoundries, which are #3 and 4 in the world. That's pretty significant.

As I said last year, you don't fork out this kind of money for just 40 to 65nm production. A good chunk of this is going to their advanced node fab.

I will venture out say that without local gov't help, I don't think they can spend that much Capex in a down year.
 

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btw guys, this is big
$6 to 7 billion in Capex in 2023 would be the combined total of UMC and GlobalFoundries, which are #3 and 4 in the world. That's pretty significant.

As I said last year, you don't fork out this kind of money for just 40 to 65nm production. A good chunk of this is going to their advanced node fab.

I will venture out say that without local gov't help, I don't think they can spend that much Capex in a down year.
40-65 nm is more expensive than you'd think. Dry ArF is cheaper than immersion ArF but there's still substantial barriers in the form of etch, deposition and metrology equipment, high purity chemicals, etc. It's not until you get to 90+ nm that a fab actually becomes cheap.
 
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