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sinophilia

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And the lack of confidence as demonstrated by @Annihilation98 is also a reason why Chinese are behind.

If you start with a losing/pessimistic mindset you will never succeed in the tech world. Probably won’t live a good life either.
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Lack of confidence among East Asian people is one of the biggest issues. That and conformity, and historical lack of risk-taking.

If those 3 things can be resolved (or maybe they are all one thing essentially) then China alone should be able to be more innovative than the rest of the world combined. Assuming those things are resolved, I think it's expected to eventually be the case.

US lead is bigger than the US economic size and technical know-how unfortunately due to their ability to leverage their slave-states in Europe excl. Russia/Belarus (+550 million people) as well as Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan (+200 million people), and Anglo offshoots (+69 million people). All these places have large sources of not just capital but technical know-how too, and on top of that they are all brain-draining 3rd world countries and China especially.

So unless these alliances change China is really up against not just 331 million Americans, in total 400 million Anglo nations +200 million East Asian white-worship states +550 million European slave-states.

China is up against 1.15 billion people, and those also leverage the global talent pool of the highest IQ, most creative risk-takers that come from any country or people that want to get rich. Brain drain might reverse soon, especially for China, but the smartest Latin Americans, Eastern Europeans, Persians, Indians, etc. will still choose to move there.

For those talking up China reducing population to 700 million or even 400 million, I can promise you the CCP is not this stupid. It will never happen.
 
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sinophilia said:
Lack of confidence among East Asian people is one of the biggest issues. That and conformity, and historical lack of risk-taking.

If those 3 things can be resolved (or maybe they are all one thing essentially) then China alone should be able to be more innovative than the rest of the world combined. Assuming those things are resolved, I think it's expected to eventually be the case.

US lead is bigger than the US economic size and technical know-how unfortunately due to their ability to leverage their slave-states in Europe excl. Russia/Belarus (+550 million people) as well as Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan (+200 million people), and Anglo offshoots (+69 million people). All these places have large sources of not just capital but technical know-how too, and on top of that they are all brain-draining 3rd world countries and China especially.

So unless these alliances change China is really up against not just 331 million Americans, in total 400 million Anglo nations +200 million East Asian white-worship states +550 million European slave-states.

China is up against 1.15 billion people, and those also leverage the global talent pool of the highest IQ, most creative risk-takers that come from any country or people that want to get rich. Brain drain might reverse soon, especially for China, but the smartest Latin Americans, Eastern Europeans, Persians, Indians, etc. will still choose to move there.

For those talking up China reducing population to 700 million or even 400 million, I can promise you the CCP is not this stupid. It will never happen.
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Germany and France are already trying to free themselves from the chains of the US empire (just have a look at what is happening with Nordstream 2 right now); the rest of Europe (excluding UK) will follow. I don't see East Asian countries like Japan and Korea staying under the US sphere of influence for long. At the end China will only have to face a united Anglosaxon front (5 eyes) and my bet is on China at least in the medium term. We are witnessing the twilight of the US empire and Trump is just a symptom of that. I dind't take long for the British empire to crumble!
 
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Germany and France are already trying to free themselves from the chains of the US empire (just have a look at what is happening with Nordstream 2 right now); the rest of Europe (excluding UK) will follow. I don't see East Asian countries like Japan and Korea staying under the US sphere of influence for long. At the end China will only have to face a united Anglosaxon front (5 eyes) and my bet is on China at least in the medium term. We are witnessing the twilight of the US empire and Trump is just a symptom of that. I dind't take long for the British empire to crumble!
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@Alb,

Regarding EUVL, Europe had most of the tech except for the light source, aside from the US , Japan had develop a LPP . If Europe really want to free themselves from American grip, the Dutch should approve the export and let Gigapahone of Japan work with SMIC and ASML. Its a win win for all side with ASML having an option and an extra supplier to lessen their cost. But its all a pipe dreams, the US will never allow it until China develop it's own.
 
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This might be the beginning of China's counterattack

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I think this was a long time coming.

My reading is that if a country or company complies with foreign sanctions, they can be sued for financial losses.

Things that come to mind are:

1. Huawei could sue TSMC or Qualcomm for not delivering microchips
2. SMIC could sue ASML for not delivering EUV lithography machines.
3. If Alibaba/Tencent have their apps banned by Apple, they can sue.
4. If Chinese banks are blocked by foreign banks, they can sue.

You get the idea
 
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