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tokenanalyst

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"the license requirements were not intended to hold back China’s economic development."

Bullshit, this is nothing but economic war and Chinese companies, institutions and the public in general should view it at such and do their best to fight back.

“a robust capability to make semiconductors that are going to go into the air bags of cars, which I have no problem with,”

IDK the same mems sensors that Analog Device an US base company do and sell to Chinese car companies? the thanks this guy and hopefully in the very near future Chinese companies will replace, if the are smart. Costing this company probably millions in revenue and jobs. But he say he doesn't care about trade losses.

AND...also bullshit, the only reason he say that is because BIS is under ENORMOUS pressure from businesses and others in the US about this rules. But if he has the chance he would ban even wheat because the PLA may use it to feed the pigs that could use to feed their troops
 

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@horse bro to graduate to 6th Grade you have to finished 5th Grade and the American are still at 4th Grade....lol

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Yeah brother ansy1968, Huawei is just a propaganda story for the Americans at this point.

Huawei continues to build networks, while the US government still goes on and on with the propaganda and sanctions.

Some recent news.

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horse

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Translation: Chinese domestic chip tool makers and fabs already have the ability to independently make trailing edge chips so we are going to keep trying to sell ours to them instead, to deprive their nascent domestic industry of sales.

Didn't they pass the law where those American IC equipment makers cannot allow their people to interact with the Chinese IC customer?

In other words, the US government barred service reps from AMAT or LAM from working with their customers in China.

We have to assume that this ban on servicing machines inside China is in place.

Does not matter if the US government says something one day, and the next day says something that is the opposite. If they are talking about bans, then that is it. China will go do it without them.
 

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Didn't they pass the law where those American IC equipment makers cannot allow their people to interact with the Chinese IC customer?

In other words, the US government barred service reps from AMAT or LAM from working with their customers in China.

We have to assume that this ban on servicing machines inside China is in place.

Does not matter if the US government says something one day, and the next day says something that is the opposite. If they are talking about bans, then that is it. China will go do it without them.
I'm assuming they got blow back from the industry telling them how stupid and utterly ridiculous these laws are. They don't seem to understand that you cannot sell tools if you can't service them. That's what we are dealing with here! Career bureaucrats who have never run or operated any businesses.

Even if they revert that and say we will only enforce it now for the advanced nodes, who in China can live with that kind of uncertainty? It's entirely arbitrary based on the whim of some bureaucrats on whether or not they chose to enforce it. On top of that, you have to apply for permission (in the best case scenario) just to get serviced.

Maybe the industry has now explained to us gov't that they are unable to sell even mature node equipment to China. They really messed up with these ridiculous laws. So, they are trying to walk back and make the laws sound less ridiculous.

Translation: Chinese domestic chip tool makers and fabs already have the ability to independently make trailing edge chips so we are going to keep trying to sell ours to them instead, to deprive their nascent domestic industry of sales.
No, the Washington bureaucrats are too stupid and arrogant to realize that. They are just concerned that they are losing the mature node tools to Japan and European countries.

It's up to China to convince other Asian countries that they will be able to produce complete supply chain independent of America and ask them to join up and work with them.
 

Topazchen

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Translation: Chinese domestic chip tool makers and fabs already have the ability to independently make trailing edge chips so we are going to keep trying to sell ours to them instead, to deprive their nascent domestic industry of sales.
Nope.. What he means is that..
"we want China to have unsophisticated fabs that churn unsophisticated chips for things like microwaves and washing machines.

We don't want them to have cutting edge chips to upgrade their companies, missiles and digital economy because it might threaten our economic and military position in the world. "

Chinese customers would retain “a robust capability to make semiconductors that are going to go into the air bags of cars, which I have no problem with,” he said.

This is a very arrogant statement rooted in superiority complex.
 

broadsword

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No, the Washington bureaucrats are too stupid and arrogant to realize that. They are just concerned that they are losing the mature node tools to Japan and European countries.

It's up to China to convince other Asian countries that they will be able to produce complete supply chain independent of America and ask them to join up and work with them.

Since China has the capability of going on to autarky in SME, it would be better served by aiming not to rely on others, especially since they are America's allies.
 
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