35 people. Just move them to universities to have them work on their jobs indirectly. University-company partnerships are common both in China and the USA.
Chinese semiconductor industry
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I think this people and the mainstream media are underestimating this mature nodes that they want to keep China down. In their mind they think American companies are still trustworthy, they think that Chinese companies are going to keep buying mature US chips from TI, from Maxim, from Qorvo and so on,US companies who made their chips in mature process. They think that they will keep buying US equipment for mature process, that they will not have need to develop their own. They are under the impression the idea that local or non US alternatives will never appear. If they are idiots the can keep relying on US products but if I was the CEO of a Chinese company I would seriously consider of the idea of designing out US products as soon sithgly worst alternatives appear. This administration lowered the bar lower than Trump, just imagine how low the bar will get when Trump wins in 2024. LOL.
Also they are underestimating the fact that the Chinese are not investing in this mature nodes just because, this are training nodes for Chinese equipment, subsystems, tools, materials and software to mature and jump to more advanced nodes. 28nm is advance and mature at the same time.
That is the people who drive the policies of the U.S for decades, not only this policies but also their war policies. Damn lawyers graduates.
I think this people and the mainstream media are underestimating this mature nodes that they want to keep China down. In their mind they think American companies are still trustworthy, they think that Chinese companies are going to keep buying mature US chips from TI, from Maxim, from Qorvo and so on,US companies who made their chips in mature process. They think that they will keep buying US equipment for mature process, that they will not have need to develop their own. They are under the impression the idea that local or non US alternatives will never appear. If they are idiots the can keep relying on US products but if I was the CEO of a Chinese company I would seriously consider of the idea of designing out US products as soon sithgly worst alternatives appear. This administration lowered the bar lower than Trump, just imagine how low the bar will get when Trump wins in 2024. LOL.
Also they are underestimating the fact that the Chinese are not investing in this mature nodes just because, this are training nodes for Chinese equipment, subsystems, tools, materials and software to mature and jump to more advanced nodes. 28nm is advance and mature at the same time.
I think the plain facts are that China needs to direct many of its engineering grads and professors into the semiconductor space because China is at war with the US and China's future as a country is dependent on this. In fact, it's somewhat scandalous that Chinese equipment is as behind as it has been for this long.
The best retaliation is to use the momentum that this sanctions create in the Chinese electronic industry to push for more localization and even attract some Non US companies to devour some market share because the vacuum left by US companies.
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Another would be tariffs on American end products that will be used to level the competition for domestic semi companies. If America wants to set back Chinese tech back by years, then the whole Chinese market needs to operate with products that are years behind.
The Taiwanese model.
I agree, there are a lot researchers making research in disciplines like optics, chemistry, electromechanics and so on, in areas that are not necessary in the short term that could be redirected to tackle problems and shortcomings in the semiconductor industry. Also some companies who products are closely related to semiconductors could be groomed with investment to serve the semiconductor industry.
That could give China additional manpower to tackle this issue. This is basicly war and the soldiers are engineers and scientists.
I’m not surprised at any of this, more surprised that 6 years after Trump China is still at choke points in mass production outside of lithography in established tech. People seem focused on how to get around sanctions - that mentality has been holding things back for years. Assume the worst - build a process that doesn’t use Quad/NATO tech eliminates all the noise. I guess we’ll see in 2-3 years or so … so far feels like forever in this tech war.
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