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tokenanalyst

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I don't think Japan even has 28nm chip production, let alone completely on its own .. like China very soon
I didn't said that are producing 28nm chips, I said that if they are forced to do they can 28nm on their own because they had companies for almost everything, from lithography to wafer processing to metrology to testing and packaging.
 

FriedButter

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Also probably hopium, even if SMEE DUV and local supply chain to 28nm is ready today. Do not reveal them immediately, wait until they have scale and mass productions.

If I had to guess. It probably requires the Gov to give the green light on that given their role in the national effort

Imagine China managed to make supercomputers locally, they'd probably sells access to Russia, Iran or even NK.

That probably won’t happen. Russia will build their own since it is a national security risk to just “borrow” it from someone else. Iran and North Korea would rather spend the money somewhere else since they don’t need one either.
 

caudaceus

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That probably won’t happen. Russia will build their own since it is a national security risk to just “borrow” it from someone else. Iran and North Korea would rather spend the money somewhere else since they don’t need one either.
Russia is way below on the semicon supply chain readiness, so likely they can't.
Also, IIRC Iranian, Syrian, North Korean and maybe many more aren't allowed to utilize supercomputers even outside US?
I once read that for KAUST supercomputer (made by IBM).
 

56860

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They don't but it's like Nuclear latency, all components are there to assemble. Of course it's not as simple but the idea still stands
Nuclear latency is a myth. To equate semiconductors is even more egregious, given the complexity.
 

olalavn

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I didn't said that are producing 28nm chips, I said that if they are forced to do they can 28nm on their own because they had companies for almost everything, from lithography to wafer processing to metrology to testing and packaging.
I read somewhere in Zhihu a few months ago... Japan is the world's no. 1 recycled wafers processing country, and their wafers technology is also the world's no1 ... with optical...
 

tokenanalyst

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It will still take a lot of time, manpower and resources to go from 40nm to 28nm. Otherwise they would have done so already, and would not need to go begging to TSMC. Use some common sense.
I doesn't matter if its take day or a year, the point is that they can make it using their own tools because they have the capability to do so IF they are forced to do so.
 

FriedButter

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Russia is way below on the semicon supply chain readiness, so likely they can't.
Also, IIRC Iranian, Syrian, North Korean and maybe many more aren't allowed to utilize supercomputers even outside US?
I once read that for KAUST supercomputer (made by IBM).

The Russians will build their own in the sense they will assemble it with components else where. They aren’t going to buy a prebuilt supercomputer.

As for the others, the issue isn’t if they should own one but more like do they really need one. The resources would be better invested elsewhere like the economy. For example, what would Syria do with one compared to rebuilding.
 

caudaceus

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what do you mean locally. LOOL

Chinese supercomputers are blacklisted from the beginning by the US. all Chinese supercomputers are entirely domestically produced. due to restrictions they have used old chips. 16nm/14nm.
Sunway still use TSMC no?
I mean pure local including SMEE DUV, AMEC, Naura. No Tencor, App Materials, etc
 
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