If the collaboration on EUV in based on China providing money and market for Japanese companies, then Japan is having the cake and eats it. China would still be in the same situation as of now. Better for Chinese to play ASML and Japanese companies against each other until the chinese have their own EUV.
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Hi horse,Hi ansy1968,
Guess you found me there brother. That place one of the more notorious places on the internet. Where people make butt jokes and play classical music at the same time.
What seemed really important about this Global Times article was the depiction of the chip design industry inside China, that in numbers only behind the Americans.
Also I read before that the experts claim that in terms of designing of chips, China already caught up to the leading edge in the world. That I read probably close to 2 years ago.
That makes an curious point for now and the future. Everyone in China probably using American software for design. Got to wonder with this vast internal market, and trade restrictions, how long that will last.
The other important parts of this article, was that it tries to pinpoint where in the production process Chinese needs to have breakthroughs to be self-sufficient in IC manufacturing.
There are some really clear eyed and hard headed people inside China and the government leading the charge it seems. Wonder if they make butt jokes and listen to classical music? Who knows.
The other article.
Wow!!! what an article, again thanks bro, question do theoretical framework need to be patented?
Hi Chish,
Japan is day dreaming, like Skywatcher and WTAN had posted, Japan DUVL days are numbered with SMEE 28NM DUVL, the only EUVL advantage they had with China is their LPP light source, beyond that Japan had nothing to offer.
Hi ansy1968,
That polar coding, the idea or theory, not sure if that can be patented, although we hear stories that Apple tries to patent the number 5 for instance, but that gets thrown out.
It probably could is my guess bro, and anyone who uses it has to pay a royalty.
Huawei patented all their work with the equipment using the polar coding is what I believe the article is saying. That would presumably be the reason why Huawei has that big lead over the rival telecom makers, and why we always hear about that the rivals must pay Huawei for use of these patents for 5G.
Either they pay Huawei for the use of their breakthroughs (patents), or try to engineer their own. So far it does not seem that Ericsson has done that yet, if ever. Nokia not in the game.
The other point of that article that was interesting was the standards body and that meeting in Las Vegas. That deadlock, the Chinese were prepared to say get lost and they would have went their own way. The world separating into two technology blocks was a lot closer than anyone thought. It would have been USA one side, and China the other side, and everyone in the middle could choose what they would like to do, use both sides or pick one side.
Huawei took to the idea, and out innovated everyone. Something they decided not to emphasize much in the article, their audience would not like that.
What was funny too, was the Canadian connection, and how those engineers from the bankrupt Northern Telecom company played a big role in all of this, who probably were mostly Chinese people in that team.
Hi horse,Hi ansy1968,
That polar coding, the idea or theory, not sure if that can be patented, although we hear stories that Apple tries to patent the number 5 for instance, but that gets thrown out.
It probably could is my guess bro, and anyone who uses it has to pay a royalty.
Huawei patented all their work with the equipment using the polar coding is what I believe the article is saying. That would presumably be the reason why Huawei has that big lead over the rival telecom makers, and why we always hear about that the rivals must pay Huawei for use of these patents for 5G.
Either they pay Huawei for the use of their breakthroughs (patents), or try to engineer their own. So far it does not seem that Ericsson has done that yet, if ever. Nokia not in the game.
The other point of that article that was interesting was the standards body and that meeting in Las Vegas. That deadlock, the Chinese were prepared to say get lost and they would have went their own way. The world separating into two technology blocks was a lot closer than anyone thought. It would have been USA one side, and China the other side, and everyone in the middle could choose what they would like to do, use both sides or pick one side.
Huawei took to the idea, and out innovated everyone. Something they decided not to emphasize much in the article, their audience would not like that.
What was funny too, was the Canadian connection, and how those engineers from the bankrupt Northern Telecom company played a big role in all of this, who probably were mostly Chinese people in that team.
Thanks for the explanation, I learned a whole lot, The way Huawei delegation is ready to duke it out says a lot, The confidence are there, it so unlike the attitude the Chinese were taught when I was growing up. You know, Don't be a trouble maker , always agree with the majority , stay unnoticed and to conform.
I envy the present generation Chinese, they are living in a world were their voices are being heard , listen to and are feared for no apparent reason.The Nanda Optoelectronics Production Line for 14nm Photoresist has been completed and has begun production.
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According to reports, according to the plan, the total investment of the project is 600 million yuan. After the project is fully operational, it is expected to achieve annual sales of about 1 billion yuan, and annual profits and taxes are expected to be about 200 million yuan. Currently, the ArF (193nm) photoresist samples developed by the company are being tested by customers.
193nm photoresist, as the core raw material in the current high-end chip manufacturing (AI chips, 5G chips, large-capacity memory and cloud computing chips, etc.), is referred to as the "blood" of the semiconductor industry and can be used for 90nm~14nm technology nodes. Integrated circuit manufacturing process.
Ningbo Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd. is a photoresist supporting material subsidiary established by Jiangsu Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd. in January 2018 in Xingang Town, Beilun District. On April 16 this year, Ningbo Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd.'s immersion lithography machine moved in ceremony was held.
According to previous reports from Beilun News, Nanda Optoelectronics will also build the first domestic professional testing and evaluation platform for the development and production of ArF photoresist products, and at the same time establish a complete domestic photoresist industry chain.
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According to reports, according to the plan, the total investment of the project is 600 million yuan. After the project is fully operational, it is expected to achieve annual sales of about 1 billion yuan, and annual profits and taxes are expected to be about 200 million yuan. Currently, the ArF (193nm) photoresist samples developed by the company are being tested by customers.
193nm photoresist, as the core raw material in the current high-end chip manufacturing (AI chips, 5G chips, large-capacity memory and cloud computing chips, etc.), is referred to as the "blood" of the semiconductor industry and can be used for 90nm~14nm technology nodes. Integrated circuit manufacturing process.
Ningbo Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd. is a photoresist supporting material subsidiary established by Jiangsu Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd. in January 2018 in Xingang Town, Beilun District. On April 16 this year, Ningbo Nanda Optoelectronic Materials Co., Ltd.'s immersion lithography machine moved in ceremony was held.
According to previous reports from Beilun News, Nanda Optoelectronics will also build the first domestic professional testing and evaluation platform for the development and production of ArF photoresist products, and at the same time establish a complete domestic photoresist industry chain.
Yes, localised 14nm Production Line will be ready in 2021, and production will follow soon.
Hi WTAN,
Your prognosis on 7nm 2021 all equipment and supply develop and ready, 2022 mass production?
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