Wrt to transistors, I’m aware, but there is a quantum limit even before we get down to single atoms.
Chinese semiconductor industry
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That's not a good measure of anything. Look at any American soap, same shit. Music, same shit. Every iPhone after the first, same shit, no imagination, no creativity yada yada. Fashion, same shit. It's easy to generalise and make sweeping conclusions based on myopic nonsense.
This conversation is veering into stupidity.
This rides on the back of multiple favourable circumstances coinciding. If Europeans and European culture is truly more conducive to all that, why then is it that Europe only started getting into this zone after millenniums of the same old? Why was and is Eruopean and Ameican innovation so heavily dependent on foreign talent and Jewish genius?
You need a certain amount of wealth before any of that and China only recently attained that like Korea and Japan before it. There is good reason why almost no technology and technology innovation/inventions come out of poor countries even if they have been capable of all that in the past... keeping up with the rest at least.
There are a number of companies in China that make Mask Aligners. The most prominent is CETC or China Electronic Technology Company which makes many types of Semiconductor equipment. They are developing Mask Aligners that can be used together with the SMEE 28nm DUVL.
Unfortunately this ASML Mask Aligner can probably only work in conjunction with the ASML DUVL. Given that SMIC is already under sanction and other Chinese FABs may eventually be sanctioned in the future, i really doubt Chinese FABs would be interested in this product. Basically a risky proposition to buy such expensive equipment that may be unusable in the future.
Unfortunately this ASML Mask Aligner can probably only work in conjunction with the ASML DUVL. Given that SMIC is already under sanction and other Chinese FABs may eventually be sanctioned in the future, i really doubt Chinese FABs would be interested in this product. Basically a risky proposition to buy such expensive equipment that may be unusable in the future.
Hi WTAN
good day, It seems there is a news blackout regarding Huawei 45nm FABS project. But there is a rumor that Huahong will assist them in this endeavor, how about SMIC? will they supply Huawei their 14nm chip? and any news IF there is a collaboration effort between them?
good day, It seems there is a news blackout regarding Huawei 45nm FABS project. But there is a rumor that Huahong will assist them in this endeavor, how about SMIC? will they supply Huawei their 14nm chip? and any news IF there is a collaboration effort between them?
I believe Huahong/ICRD will assist or even do a Joint Venture with Huawei. Huawei is new to the FAB business and will need help initially.
SMIC has been keeping a low profile recently so not much news about their 14nm FAB. They might be supplying Huawei quietly using the existing equipment. I also think they will use the new SMEE 28nm Litho in their 14nm FAB so probably waiting for delivery of the equipment. They will eventually De-Americanise the equipment in their 14nm FAB.
hi WTAN
Wow!!! I had to say after reading your attach article that China had a complete local IC industry chain including design, manufacturing, special equipment, materials, packaging and testing. The only country so far, I may sound too optimistic, even IF there is a collective sanction it may backfire badly. China had the tools and tech company to rely upon, it may need more investment and time for them to become at least on par with their foreign counterpart.
Wow!!! I had to say after reading your attach article that China had a complete local IC industry chain including design, manufacturing, special equipment, materials, packaging and testing. The only country so far, I may sound too optimistic, even IF there is a collective sanction it may backfire badly. China had the tools and tech company to rely upon, it may need more investment and time for them to become at least on par with their foreign counterpart.
Hi ansy1968,
I thought that was always the case, that China had a complete IC industry from beginning to end.
Just that it was severely behind and probably obsolete (for what types of chips they could manufacture) for most consumer goods.
But the Long March rockets need IC, the tanks IC, the satellites need IC, and no way China was going to buy chips for those items from abroad.
Look at it this way. Remember the US Space Shuttle? It used chips from 1984, all the way till it retired for good. During that time in the computer industry, the chip performance advanced exponentially, but they continued to use 1984 chips because it worked, and they do not fool around with something that worked in rocket science, something I read a long time ago.
That's why I believe the Chinese trying to catch up to the leading edge of chip manufacturing is not really a question, it will happen relatively soon, because the base they coming from is not low, especially now with the money and talent at their disposal.
To build the atomic bomb in three years in the 1960's, that is amazing, because the base they were working with back then, was probably lower than low.
I'm not an engineer, but these seem to be reasonable assumptions to make. If we are not there working on the equipment, we just try to make our best guess.
If they supply anything to huawei, they will get barred from buying american equipment. I dont think that they can really hide this kind of things.
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