Chinese semiconductor industry

Status
Not open for further replies.

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
Russia spending $60b per year on road construction. Figures on Nuclear are classified but it will be similar numbers considering the export contracts they won. They have railway and railway troops. so hard to pin the budget but infrastructure budget can easily be $20b to $30b a year. so why you think they are not spending similar numbers on semiconductors when in 2030 road map its there strategic field? and Laser is the field they had cooperated longest with East Germany and than Germany. They had spend huge on physics over decades.

Russia simply doesn't have the sales to sustain a competitive semiconductor industry.
My guess is that the Russia accounts for about 2% of global semiconductor demand.

Yes, Russia could subsidise semiconductor fabs and semiconductor equipment, but who is going to buy the output?

A similar situation applies to lasers and also other technology areas.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Russia simply doesn't have the sales to sustain a competitive semiconductor industry.
My guess is that the Russia accounts for about 2% of global semiconductor demand.

Yes, Russia could subsidise semiconductor fabs and semiconductor equipment, but who is going to buy the output?

A similar situation applies to lasers and also other technology areas.
They do. Just not a particularly big one or leading edge one. But the fact is they do have an industry.
Like I said before 90nm is better than what the UK has.
And the Russians did fund an 28nm fab. But with the sanctions it is gonski. Has less chances of operating than Fujian Jinhua.

The Russians can splurge a couple billion on a chip fab. But tens of billions or hundreds of billions just forget about it guys. Won't happen.
With a hundred billion they could build an entire fleet of submarines and carriers to match the US Navy. Or two Power of Siberia pipelines and its associated gas fields which would give them income for three decades or more. I know what I would pick.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Russian economy recovers back to its peak (not likely) they can spend like ten billion in a fab.
 
Last edited:

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
Some characteristics of Kingstone (Wanye) "cold" implanters and CTEC implanters:

View attachment 91591
View attachment 91592
Still some work to be done but getting there.
Looks like Kingstone still has some advantages. Higher peak ion current, more control over implant voltage on the shallow end, more control over dopant concentration at the low end. I suspect lower productivity to be from mechanical processes like physical wafer movement on the stages.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
Registered Member
25% lower production rate is a big issue for volume production though. Probably because of lower energy of 50keV instead of 60keV.
Ion implantation energy deals with depth of implantation, not rate. The higher energy the ion the higher its mean free path in the wafer. The implantation rate is the ion current.

Implantation rate per wafer of course is only part of the productivity. The implanter has to distribute its wafers and move them around internally. I think this may be where Kingstone is not doing well.
 

pmc

Major
Registered Member
Russia simply doesn't have the sales to sustain a competitive semiconductor industry.
My guess is that the Russia accounts for about 2% of global semiconductor demand.

Yes, Russia could subsidise semiconductor fabs and semiconductor equipment, but who is going to buy the output?

A similar situation applies to lasers and also other technology areas.
Nope. It no longer apply. once Russia put its competitive product. Middleast/India/Africa/Latin America/Europe and even Asia will be building products based on Russian tech. just increasing the size of Russian aviation industry (Aviation includes Inflight entertainment), will create more demand. AI and science minister from wealthy arab country. once you break apart Eurabia. money flows like water.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
In this way, Al Olama assured that the development goals of both peoples will be met with great expectations and will lead to the citizens of the two countries improving their quality of life and guaranteeing them a prosperous future, without lack of monetary resources.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
During his participation, the Minister signed an agreement of intent to organise UAE’s participation as the guest of honor at the forum’s next edition in 2023, noting that the SPIEF helps open up wider trade development and investment partnerships between the two nations.
 

tokenanalyst

Brigadier
Registered Member
25% lower production rate is a big issue for volume production though. Probably because of lower energy of 50keV instead of 60keV.
400 wafers vs 500 wafers, I guess that will depend on the serving market, a company serving so many global clients like TSMC I guess will be a drop in productivity but for the Chinese market is probably OK for now until the developing positive feedback loop kicks in.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Nope. It no longer apply. once Russia put its competitive product. Middleast/India/Africa/Latin America/Europe and even Asia will be building products based on Russian tech. just increasing the size of Russian aviation industry (Aviation includes Inflight entertainment), will create more demand. AI and science minister from wealthy arab country. once you break apart Eurabia. money flows like water.
And why won't the Arabs buy Chinese, pray tell?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top