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in terms of operational costs, let's say that there's only 10 end user stations out of 20 because they're large facilities and few companies can afford the use of these beamlines.

For comparison, the synchrotron at Diamond in the UK has 32 beamlines and 24 linear beamlines.

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At 4 million EUR equivalent per user per year, a hypothetical EUV lithography synchrotron generates breaks even, since it costs 40 million GBP (about 1 EUR) for 22 beamlines operational and 67 million EUR for 33 beamlines. These are knowns.

And that's at 1/2 capacity. At 90% capacity you can essentially halve the cost per user and still break even. You don't need to make a profit on this as a public good but you can just charge 40% less instead of 50% and it'll be profitable.
 
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Only 1 such advanced facility will be built?
Why not go for 2. It seems a bit risky to have everything concentrated in one location
 
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Overbom said:
Seems like it is the ideal light source for EUV

How about any disadvantages
(aside from r&d -> commercialisation risk)
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It's a building and you need to locate your fab next to it. If you can't you still need a clean room and production facility at the synchrotron to take care of the EUV portion then ship the semi finished wafers to a finishing fab.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
in terms of operational costs, let's say that there's only 10 end user stations out of 20 because they're large facilities and few companies can afford the use of these beamlines.

For comparison, the synchrotron at Diamond in the UK has 32 beamlines and 24 linear beamlines.

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At 4 million EUR equivalent per user per year, a hypothetical EUV lithography synchrotron generates breaks even, since it costs 40 million GBP (about 1 EUR) for 22 beamlines operational and 67 million EUR for 33 beamlines. These are knowns.

And that's at 1/2 capacity. At 90% capacity you can essentially halve the cost per user and still break even. You don't need to make a profit on this as a public good but you can just charge 40% less instead of 50% and it'll be profitable.
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How much energy does such a thing consume I assume running the synchrotron 24/7 will consume a lot more energy then doing some research when needed. Also maintainance of the synchrotron when running it 24/7
 
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Overbom said:
Seems like it is the ideal light source for EUV

How about any disadvantages
(aside from r&d -> commercialisation risk)
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Seems like kind of like those X-ray machines in the airport where we have to walk through.

Here of course it would be big ring on the roof, zapping the wavelengths of light downwards onto the conveyor belt below, with the silicon on it, placed on a precision work bench.


 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
It's a building and you need to locate your fab next to it. If you can't you still need a clean room and production facility at the synchrotron to take care of the EUV portion then ship the semi finished wafers to a finishing fab.
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You know what, this is what they call the public-private-partnership.

Haha!

That means this thing is a go!

Even the ideology is lining up.

:D
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
It's a building and you need to locate your fab next to it. If you can't you still need a clean room and production facility at the synchrotron to take care of the EUV portion then ship the semi finished wafers to a finishing fab.
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The building that you are talking about is about this project
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It is about research in physics as X-ray microscopes.

The SSMB EUV project that #10,511 talked about is a different one that is to be built in Qinghua University. It is specifically designed for EUV machine. See here
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I personally do not like to hype, but this is pretty interesting stuff in theory it can be a really good alternative for lasers and dirty plasma ligth, Lithography could become more like particle physics like ion implantation. If this work, because of the collaboration between China and Germany there is not doubt ASML could use the technology in some time in the future.
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I highly doubt that. If ASML did not invest in the program, it certainly won't get any piece of the pie. Germany's involvement has nothing to do with ASML. Some US research entity is also involved, you wouldn't expect Intel to be able to cut a piece?

The point is that this is a theoretic collaboration, the research outcome is open to the world. To materialize the outcome to an EUV machine is engineering work which is only in the hands of the builder, Qinghua in this case. Even without the blockade drama, there is no reason why China would give something to a competitor.
 
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