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The west doesn't use synchrontron EUV method is because they try to commercialize the product. They need to ship the discreet equipment world wide. They can't ship a fixed facility. China doesn't plan to sell the EUV FAB oversea so it's more like a national effort. EUV Fab will be built next to the synchrotron. The advantage of that is it has alot more power to work with. China doesn't have to concern about commercialization of the product . As long as it can work and build chips and that's all it matters. That constraint is on the west, China can built a number of such synchrotron facilities and built EUV Fab next to the,.

I think I posted this before, about 70% of the first prototype facility is built. SHould be finished constrcution sometimes in 2025.

It consists of four major components: the gun body, the ceramic barrel, the anti-halo ring, and the negative grid assembly. The negative grid component is the key to the electron gun. part.
The main electron gun has been installed.

Through years of technical research, it has overcome many difficulties and solved the problems of cathode emission and micron grid preparation, deformation and welding. At present, the localization of cathode grid components has basically been realized." Academician of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences Wang Yifang, director of the Institute of High Energy, said.

The HEPS project started construction on June 29, 2019, with a construction period of 6.5 years. When completed, HEPS will become China's first high-energy synchrotron radiation source and one of the fourth-generation synchrotron radiation sources with the highest brightness in the world,



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If this works, and it most probably will, get ready to hear a chorus of condemnation of supposed unfairness and state subsidies coming from Western governments (particularly the United States), and probably even the assertion that it is a supposed national security threat. They will likely place tariffs or even outright bans on sales of products containing high end chips made using such synchrotrons or the IC chips themselves. But that won't matter much, since China will have achieved indigenous production of IC chips of extremely fine resolutions that it can sell and use domestically. Furthermore, the West and the US Alliance System are not the only foreign markets for Chinese IC chips to be sold to.
 

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I believe SSMB and LPP is simultaneously being developed.
They are developed simultaneously to cover any delays or technical glitches, patent disputes etc. affecting any one method.
LPP is still under development by Shanghai Institute of Optics and they are looking for a Breakthrough in Laser Power.
I havent heard much about DPP lately.
Alot of news on Light Source development is focused on SSMB at the moment as Old School has also confirmed.
There is a very high chance that SSMB will be available for use as a Light Source for EUVL by 2025.
The new Beijing Synchrotron facility or any other new facility built by Tsinghua Uni would help in the Industrialisation of this Light Source.
The CAS is very confident in this technology and they know quite alot about it having built Synchrotrons for decades.
There are also no IP Issues unlike the LPP EUVL machine.
Also scalable in power allowing it to be used for decades in the future unlike ASML EUVL machines which become obsolete quickly.
So, this or these synchrotrons that will produce EUV using steady state microbunching, will they dedicated towards EUV production for IC chip making lithography, or will they also do so as an off-shoot of their other applications?

How large are such synchrotrons in comparison to the ASML EUV Machines?
 

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If this works, and it most probably will, get ready to hear a chorus of condemnation of supposed unfairness and state subsidies coming from Western governments (particularly the United States), and probably even the assertion that it is a supposed national security threat. They will likely place tariffs or even outright bans on sales of products containing high end chips made using such synchrotrons or the IC chips themselves. But that won't matter much, since China will have achieved indigenous production of IC chips of extremely fine resolutions that it can sell and use domestically. Furthermore, the West and the US Alliance System are not the only foreign markets for Chinese IC chips to be sold to.
If China will have achieved indigenous EUV, the West will not impose more semiconductor restrictions and risk losing Chinese market share for Western companies in retaliation. The Chinese market is the biggest consumer of IC chips for Western companies. Once your competitor achieves competency, the marginal benefits of tariffs or bans vastly diminishes. It only works if your opponent is incapable of innovation and has less market size bargaining power.

Instead of more semiconductor restrictions, if China achieved indigenous EUV, I would be more concerned of US allowing ASML to export EUV at cheap bargain prices (e.g. dumping) to gain market share in China and entrench Western equipment in Chinese fabs. China should require all indigenous and foreign-owned fabs operating in China to manufacture sub-7nm processes utilizing Indigenous EUVs only for national security and reliability purposes. No ASML EUV in SMIC even if US allows it in future.
 
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So, this or these synchrotrons that will produce EUV using steady state microbunching, will they dedicated towards EUV production for IC chip making lithography, or will they also do so as an off-shoot of their other applications?

How large are such synchrotrons in comparison to the ASML EUV Machines?
they're entire buildings, but the beam source+end station setup is already very common in scientific research. This is just scaling it up for industrial use.
 

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they're entire buildings, but the beam source+end station setup is already very common in scientific research. This is just scaling it up for industrial use.
So it will be like a shared resource a public industrial good for the high tech chip sector. Dat communisme .

I can imaging that tier 1 and 2 cities might do a public private sector investment for those ssmb industrial zones where each private investor can get some end station for their chip fabrication and researchers can also get some end station for research.

Time will tell how it will be implemented.
 

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You just can't force a good Company down, As one door close another one open. Instead of whining Huawei fight back and here is another nice example of Huawei successful diversification and its evolution.

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So, this or these synchrotrons that will produce EUV using steady state microbunching, will they dedicated towards EUV production for IC chip making lithography, or will they also do so as an off-shoot of their other applications?

How large are such synchrotrons in comparison to the

So, this or these synchrotrons that will produce EUV using steady state microbunching, will they dedicated towards EUV production for IC chip making lithography, or will they also do so as an off-shoot of their other applications?

How large are such synchrotrons in comparison to the ASML EUV Machines?
This is a very large and powerful Synchrotron and will also be used for General Scientific Research in addition to its use as a SSMB Light Source facility.
I think in the future they will develop smaller and more compact designs which can fit into land in Industrial Parks in large Cities.
 

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So it will be like a shared resource a public industrial good for the high tech chip sector. Dat communisme .

I can imaging that tier 1 and 2 cities might do a public private sector investment for those ssmb industrial zones where each private investor can get some end station for their chip fabrication and researchers can also get some end station for research.

Time will tell how it will be implemented.
If or most probably when it does work and is churning out <5nm IC chips and the Americans complain about it due to it being communist, socialist, state owned or whatever sort of epithet the Americans like to use towards such collective undertakings that they don't or dislike doing, my advice to them would be to build synchrotrons of their own...
 

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they're entire buildings, but the beam source+end station setup is already very common in scientific research. This is just scaling it up for industrial use.
So it will be like a shared resource a public industrial good for the high tech chip sector. Dat communisme .

I can imaging that tier 1 and 2 cities might do a public private sector investment for those ssmb industrial zones where each private investor can get some end station for their chip fabrication and researchers can also get some end station for research.

Time will tell how it will be implemented.
This thing is really blowing my mind... Perhaps in the not so distant future, there could be a synchrotron or more, churning out high end chips, in every major or mid-level city in China. When China makes the transition to ensure that nuclear power (through thorium MSRs and 4th generation pebble bed reactors) and renewables dominate decisively over fossil fuel in power generation, the combined much much greater efficiency and/or much much greater abundance of nuclear and renewable energy sources in comparison to fossil fuels will greatly bring down energy costs and hence ancillary and consequential production and transportation costs of all goods. Heck, even now, builds synchrotrons adjacent to major wind, solar, or hydroelectric power stations and have a transmission connection directly to them...

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I read some chinese forum comments that there is doubt whether the 6kHZ 60W ArF light source being delivered. The 4kHZ 40W ArF was used in the 90nm DUV.
According LeadLeo research center, The 6kHz 60W ArF was delivered which is needed for 28nm DUV.

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What's the background on LeadLeo. Is it generally a good source for research reports?
 
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