Chinese SAM

Nothing to do with stealth, I'm talking about the altitude. After I did a little check, I found out my assumption was wrong. I had previously thought that B-2 can fly at an altitude of more than 20 KM. That's why I said no plane would be out of the maximum altitude of the radar.

Roger604 said:

That is good news indeed? It looks like the modern manifestation of the Great Wall. :china:
I have some questions:
I noticed that these new systems were supposed to counter stealth aircraft. How would they perform against the various types of stealth aircraft: B-2? JSF? F-22?

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Stealth vs. anti-stealth is like a cat and mouse game, both sides constantely look for ways to improve and defeat the other. I think a lot of people assume "stealth" started with the F-117, but I think it dates back further than that, to technologies such as the radar absorbent coating on the SR-71.

If we look at the 1991 Gulf war, Iraq was said to have 17,000 SAM's and 7,500 AAA guns. The F-117 flew over 1,300 sorties over Iraq without a single loss. Moving forward to the Yugoslav-Kosovo conflict, oops, there goes a F-117:


Currently, the PLA's air defense technology level is a good distance behind the F/A-22. But that technical edge will someday be eroded, just as the U-2 was eventually shot down by the SA-2.

Personally I don't like the idea of being dependent on SAM's for air defense, whatever that's on the ground is a stationary target from the air, and SAM sites are big glowing "come shoot me" targets. The best defense against enemy fighters is still your own air force achieving air superiority, so they can't come over and drop bombs on you.

I was under the impression that modern radars can detect (but not track) even an F-22. It cannot locate it precisely, but can give a rough location. Is the underlying idea then , to send a barrage of missiles to that rough location and have them explode into shraple/flak that will damage the stealth and pave way for a kill?

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The Iraqis tried to do that. they loaded the sky with AAA fire and the sams went off when they detected the first tomahawks coming in. However not one f-117 was shot down. If you've seen a video, you would see how much AAA they put to the sky.

It appears that these ground systems are on par with the best of American and Russian equipment in this field. Can China put these same technologies into AWACS, fighter, cruisers, etc. to create a holistic integrated EW system that is on-par with America?

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Well the s-300 is Russian. The hq-9 info can be found on sino defence. As for EW systems. China is far from being on-par with America. China already has a couple of AWACs in design. However, the BMS and integration of these systems to ground, naval, and air assets will take China a long time to settle. As for anti-stealth radars, they are still a myth. No nation actually HAS a stealth fighter to work with or even have the information on how a stealth fighter works. How would they build an anti-stealth radar?

F-117 that was shot down by a SA-3 GOA...
i think i have a clue where some parts of the wreck went...





apparatenly they shot it down b/c they said some spotters saw the F-117 take off and using math calculations found out the time when it'll show up.. then just launched a barrage of rockets at it

"No nation actually HAS a stealth fighter to work with or even have the information on how a stealth fighter works. How would they build an anti-stealth radar?"

but the concept is well-known.

china, i beilive, has built an f-22 shell for testing its stealthyness. seeimg how the frame is the prime component to rcs, testing a radar on it would be superb. russia has also developed soem stelthy aircraft, in which it probably tests new radars on.

slackpiv, it doesnt matter how russian the s-300 is. china has it, produces it indegedously, anjd has developed more advanced missles off of it, and plans to upgrade it. this proves china understands 100% of the s-300s technology, therefore putting china at that level, if not further.

vincelee said:

"No nation actually HAS a stealth fighter to work with or even have the information on how a stealth fighter works. How would they build an anti-stealth radar?"

but the concept is well-known.

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could part of the f-117 be sold to some nation??? If it use radar absobant paint, that piece is enough for people to test out what chemical was used, so they could sell like a sample or someone would steal it

The reason that the Iraqis lost horribly in the air war was because of the strategy they employed. Before the actual bombardment, the Iraqis had their SAM radars on 24/7. The US simply made a "map" and wiped out the SAM's on the first few days of the air war using HARM missiles. The Serbians, on the other hand, kept on turning their radars on and off so the coalition had no idea where the SAMs were. The lesson: just because you are superior in numbers and technology doesn't mean anything if you don't employ them with a proper strategy.

could part of the f-117 be sold to some nation??? If it use radar absobant paint, that piece is enough for people to test out what chemical was used, so they could sell like a sample or someone would steal it

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Russia obtained the wreckage of the F-117 after it was downed.

I thought China bought the wreckage. At least that was the excused used by some when the US bombed the Chinese embassy.