Chinese purchase of Su-35
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I have a feeling that we'll keep seeing this until the day Su-35s retire from the Russian Air Force.
I have a feeling it will last even beyond that.
At that point we'll be getting rumors of China buying the T-50.
Never say never, these rumors obviously stem from China's long history of adopting Russian aircraft, and with the Flanker, et al it makes a great deal of sense, these two nations have a history, and as long as the US is a common denominator, that's never going to go away completely. brat
Yeah, it's far more likely China will build J-10s to compensate for J-11B production deficiency than to introduce a limited quantity of new heavy flanker variants, because the logistical compatibility and production lines is already there.
Engineer
Major
I have already stated why the number of types of weapons carried by Su-35 is irrelevant. I have also explained that it will be irrelevant as long as no Chinese munitions can be launched by Su-35. I do not feel the need to repeatedly address the same argument.
You insisted that PLAAF might be willing to sacrifice logistical compatibility for range. By the very same compromise argument you have used, J-10 can also serve as substitutes for J-11B to sacrifice range for compatibility. So yes, your argument is self contradictory.
Generalization or not, there have been documented instances where Russian equipments do not meet specs listed in advertisements. They are very real.
There is no compelling reasons to suggest PLAAF would be willing to take a step back and go with foreign equipments. This is especially so given PLAAF's trend is to rely more and more on domestic components. Range isn't the only variable in PLAAF's assessment as you made it out to be, or PLAAF would have gone with airliners.
SinoSoldier
Colonel
There has been cases where the Iraqi Army would buy Russian tungsten APFSDS Sabot rounds only to find out later that the core was made of steel instead of the advertised tungsten. Even if their plane provides an overall superior performance, China would be very cautious.
Subedei
Banned Idiot
I'm aware that I'm not a party to your and engineer's two way debate. nevertheless, some of your observations are relevant to my analysis. particularly, your above observation raises the question as to whether a chinese participation in the su-35 program would require any logistical sacrifices, by either party, at all.
as i have previously observed, here, shenyang has established its proficiency in constructing and developing the flanker airframe. consequently, we can reasonably expect that there are significant degrees of commonality between sukhoi's and shenyang's processes in this regard. additionally, i believe that the j-11a/b program has established shenyang's capabilities in marrying sukhoi's airframe (and saturn's engines) with chinese avionics, electronics, and weaponry. subsequently, they have further developed these capabilities with the development of the j-15 and j-16.
consequently, as shenyang is already constructing flanker derived airframes (which the su-35 airframe is), outfitting them with chinese avionics and electronics, and equipping them with chinese weapons, i'd argue that, at this point, their logistic chain is ideally situated to accommodate participation in the su-35 program. particularly if that participation comprises cooperation in the airframe construction component of the program. taking this approach would necessitate neither that, either party radically alter their logistical chain, nor that, china increase its dependency upon russia for any technologies. it would, nevertheless, maintain, for the time being, china's dependency upon russia's engine technology. a dependency that, present circumstances inform us, would not constitute a departure from their current logistical practices.
sorry to butt in!
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