Subedei
Banned Idiot
totally western?
then, what about pak-fa/fgfa, follow-on mki orders, brahmos, etc?
Chinese purchase of Su-35
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totally western?
then, what about pak-fa/fgfa, follow-on mki orders, brahmos, etc?
I believe it's out of desperation. There is no western Europe program of 5th gen. To match china, sticking to the PAKFA is out of no choice.
Western do not believe the hype of supersonic cruise missile since indian wanted a supersonic missile. So brahmos.
As for MKI, they already build a huge infrastructure to support it. Making MKI the backbone is better.
SteelBird
Colonel
Sound like India does not have much choice either. Why not India turn to Uncle Sam for F-35? I they are available for sale and Uncle Sam is too much kin to sell that fat bird in order to lower its cost.
According to Wiki;
Saudi Arabia operates 69 F-15s and they are from the 1990s
India have ordered 126 Rafale -> and MAY order 64 more in a few years.
Japan ordered ~26 F15 from the USA and built the rest themselves.
Israel operates ~ 60 sth F15 and they are not purchased in one batch but multiple batches from 1977, similarlym the F16- are brouht over many years. the latest purchase of 102 F16 is 10+ years after the purchase of 1994.
Frankly, there is no massive fighter deals of 200+ planes in recent history.
Hyperwarp
Captain
If you are talking about one single 200+ deal then probably not...
Su-30MKI will Total over 270. Initial order 140+ (2000), Another 40 (2007), 230 planned total (2009), then another 42 (2010). The 250 FGFA is probably similar. Initially directly imported from KNAAPO and the rest built locally. The plan is for a total of 250 FGFA
Su-30MKI will Total over 270. Initial order 140+ (2000), Another 40 (2007), 230 planned total (2009), then another 42 (2010). The 250 FGFA is probably similar. Initially directly imported from KNAAPO and the rest built locally. The plan is for a total of 250 FGFA
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I think the issue really isnt the number of figther being brought. at 100 million USD a pop for a F15 or 50 million USD a pop for a SU-35.... there simply isn't much export market large enough to absorb 200+ fighters in one go. Your 200+ fighter deals will be for F16s, JF17s, Mig29s, Griphens,
Iran and Russia are not exactly at good terms in arms purchase, remember the S-300 fiasco, there was a lot of trust lost there. It's an overhyped weapons system , but it is capable nevertheless, to the point that it's a strategic threat to the Western war planners. Canceling the sale means Russia will sell anyone out for profit, like they always have.
China is probably closer to Iran now, but if you ask me i won't touch it with 10 foot stick from 10 yards away. Not with this lunatic regime, i'd rather pocket the Arabs.
200 Su-35 sounds really nice on paper, just hope Rosoborronexport does not jack up the prices of your parts again, again, and again.
China's break at world's top tier arms market will come, sooner or later.
vesicles
Colonel
Once and if the sanction is gone, this means the West has won. In that case, iran would become more western-oriented. Why would they buy Chinese products then?
The only way to ensure iran would be China-oriented is to support iran and fight the West. Is it worth it to start a conflict with the West for a couple hundred fighters?
Modern samples of Gripen and F-16 both clock in at more than $50 million a go. That's before you factor in training, parts, munitions, service, the whole nine yards.
Also, color me sceptical that a Su-35 will clock 50 mil. That's more like the stripped-to-the-bare-bones-service-not-included version.
Also, color me sceptical that a Su-35 will clock 50 mil. That's more like the stripped-to-the-bare-bones-service-not-included version.