Chinese purchase of Su-35

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China receives 24 Su-35 fighters
Sergey Chemezov named the signing of the first export contract for the Su-35 as the main business event of the previous year




In 2015, 24 Su-35 fighters were sold to China under the first export contract, the CEO of Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, stated at a meeting with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.

"The main business event that occurred last year in 2015 was the first export contract for Su-35 fighters signed by Rosoboronexport. We sold 24 fighters to China," RIA News reports Sergey Chemezov's statement. Thus, China has officially become the first foreign customer for Su-35s.

The Su-35 is a multifunctional 4++ generation fighter. The Su-35 is made based on Su-27/Su-30 fighters, and the "thirty fifth" is a conceptually new fighter employing fifth-generation combat avionics.

KRET enterprises developed the Su-35 " glass cockpit" indicators and a number of other avionics. In addition, the Concern's specialists created the platformless INS capable of autonomously determining a fighter location without satellite navigation or communication with ground services.

It should also be mentioned that this latest navigation system was designed for use in the fifth-generation fighter PAK-FA. This points once again to the fact that the Su-35 comes close to the fifth-generation fighter in all of its features. It meets most of the requirements for fifth-generation aircrafts, except for the stealth technology and the active phased antenna array (APAA).

Despite the lack of the APAA, the Su-35 radar system can detect targets at ranges of up to 400 km. These capabilities are provided by a new fighter radar control system with the phased array antenna Irbis, which is produced by the Ryazan State Instrument Enterprise, which is a part of KRET.

The important difference of the Su-35 over the Su-27 is the use of new high-power engines in the propulsion system. They were designed at NPO Saturn, a part of UEC, and are known as "117S".

Presently, in service of the Russian VKS there are 48 Su-35 fighters. Under the current state arms program, Aerospace Forces shall receive 96 Su-35s before 2020.

Interest is being shown in the Russian fighter from abroad as well: some potential customers are Algeria, Egypt, Venezuela, and Vietnam. According to some expert opinions, the Su-35 is able to be a serious opponent to the F-15, the Eurofighter and the Rafale.


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Deino said:
The for me important and interesting question regardless all repeated posts of such reports is not that "China receives 24 Su-35 fighters" but "when will China receive 24 Su-35 fighters" ???

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The report is new, from August 3 2016, by the Rostec quoting the CEO of Rostec, so it is not repeated, true they do not say when they will deliver them, but basically it is saying the first export customer was China
 
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b787 said:
The report is new, from August 3 2016, by the Rostec quoting the CEO of Rostec, so it is not repeated, true they do not say when they will deliver them, but basically it is saying the first export customer was China
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My point is simply that since the alleged signing of that contract such reports are regularily popping up all over from time to time ... just like this one from August 3. That however does not mean they are delivered:

My point is simply that "China receives 24 Su-35 fighters" is different to "China will receive 24 Su-35 fighters some day in 2017"
 
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b787 said:
The report is new, from August 3 2016, by the Rostec quoting the CEO of Rostec, so it is not repeated, true they do not say when they will deliver them, but basically it is saying the first export customer was China
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Interesting way of you to put it.

If I write an article today in another forum stating the same thing "the contract was signed in 2015". Does that make my report fresh? Or I am just repeating an olds?

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Deino said:
The for me important and interesting question regardless all repeated posts of such reports is not that "China receives 24 Su-35 fighters" but "when will China receive 24 Su-35 fighters" ???

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Yes...I agree.

Always the funny wording that doesn't quite add up.

If they say, "China receives 24 Su-35 fighters." Then that would mean that the fighters are already in Chinese possession. But I have herd nothing from the Chinese or the chatter that would indicate that this is so...that the aircraft are actually in China.

When you read the article, it talks like the fact that they signed a contract means that the Chinese received the aircraft already...when that is not the case.

Like I have said...perhaps they have done this deal, but I will actually believe it when I see the Chinese themselves announce that they have the aircraft with pictures of them on Chinese soil.
 
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b787 said:
The report is new, from August 3 2016, by the Rostec quoting the CEO of Rostec, so it is not repeated, true they do not say when they will deliver them, but basically it is saying the first export customer was China
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That's the whole point.

When they say, "Chinese receive SU-35s" that means in plain English that they have already received them.

Otherwise they should say something like, "Su-35 will be delivered," or something like, "SU-35 just shipped to China and will arrive there in two weeks," or something like, "Su-35s scheduled to fly to Chinese airfield on September 2nd."

Clearly, there has been no verified report that the SU-35s are actually on the ground in China.

As I say, when I see the Chinese announce that SU-35s are on their soil, with pictures of the same, that is when I will believe that they are actually there.
 
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Jeff Head said:
That's the whole point.

When they say, "Chinese receive SU-35s" that means in plain English that they have already received them.

Otherwise they should say something like, "Su-35 will be delivered," or something like, "SU-35 just shipped to China and will arrive there in two weeks," or something like, "Su-35s scheduled to fly to Chinese airfield on September 2nd."

Clearly, there has been no verified report that the SU-35s are actually on the ground in China.

As I say, when I see the Chinese announce that SU-35s are on their soil, with pictures of the same, that is when I will believe that they are actually there.
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That's a typical click-bait heading, unfortunately more and more editors are using it these days.

Actually it's worse than the average click-bait headings, because it is not just misleading, but also incorrect.
 
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