Chinese purchase of Su-35

b787 said:

Your reasoning is not logic, a contract is a biding document, true, by ratify it means the go ahead is given, China has a bad track record with the J-11 license, plus add they copied without license the Su-33 and Su-27UB/MKK. Russia as a country has also people who see China not with the best of eyes. Sukhoi can not start building jets to get cancelled as the 200 J-11 license was, ratification is logic is you dig history.

Your line of reasoning is pretty not logic, the contract was signed, that is a fact Rostec is not making up things like most people say here, but the contract can be cancelled, it happens all the time, could it happen yes it can.


If you could be more realistic and see the contract was indeed signed but that this is not a bidding document to the end of the world, it is just a bidding document and both sides need to ratify it because Russia is not willing to spend money to build Su-35s and later for the Chinese to tell them well we do not want them, that is a thing any company will try to avoid.

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Brumby said:

Either you are pregnant or you are not.

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Brumby said:

I think we can at least conclude that the current status of the sale and that is by Russia's own admission is that there is no enforceable contract until some form of ratification takes place. Until and unless such ratification takes place there is in fact no deal. Either you are pregnant or you are not.

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Уже сейчас в цехе - шесть самолетов Су-35 по плану 2016 года, два самолета Т-50 и кабина Т-50-11. Труженики всех участков настроены на оперативную работу и высокую самоотдачу. В юбилейном для цеха году мы должны сдать десять самолетов Су-35, четыре самолета для инозаказчика, а также три изделия Т-50. Предстоит новый этап по ремонту и модернизации самолета Су-27. В этом же году состоится запуск серийного производства Т-50. Сейчас готовится необходимая оснастка, прорабатывается технологическая документация, осваивается оборудование.

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Already in the shop - six Su-35 aircraft under the plan 2016, two aircraft T-50 and T-50-11 cockpit. Workers of all sites are configured for operational work and high commitment. In the anniversary year for the workshop we will hand over ten Su-35, four aircraft to foreign customers, as well as the three T-50's. To be a new stage in repair and modernization of the Su-27 aircraft. In the same year, will launch serial production of T-50. Now we are preparing the necessary equipment, technical documentation is studied, equipment is being mastered.

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Долгосрочный план производства Су-35С до 2020 года:
2016 - 0309-0318 для МО РФ, 0319-0402 для КНР, 0403-0406 - "прочие г/п" ("свободный слот" для ещё не заключённого экспортного контракта, вероятно, с Пакистаном или Индонезией).
2017 - 0407-0416 для МО РФ, 0417-0506 для КНР, 0507-0510 - прочий экспорт.
2018 - 0511-0520 для МО РФ, 0601-0610 для КНР, 0611-0614 - прочий экспорт.
2019 - 0615-0704 для МО РФ, 0705-0712 на экспорт.
2020 - 0713-0802 для МО РФ, 0803-0810 на экспорт.

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Long-term plan for the production of Su-35s to the year 2020:
2016 - 0309-0318 to RF-MOD (RuAF) - 0319-0402 for PRC, 0403-0406 - other g/p "("free slot" for not yet signed export contract, probably with Pakistan or Indonesia).
2017 - 0407-0416 for RF-MOD (RuAF), 0417-0506 for PRC, 0507-0510 - other export.
2018 - 0511-0520 for RF-MOD (RuAF), 0601-0610 for PRC, 0611-0614 - other export.
2019 - 0615-0704 for MO RF - 0705-0712 for export.
2020 - 0713-0802 for MO RF - 0803-0810 for export.

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