Chinese purchase of Su-35

Air Force Brat said:

Not Gonna Happen, I am going to go with the Eng's gut feeling here?? and they question is why? now I'm sure the Chinese would love to be able to buy some 117s to up the performance of their J-20 and even J-15s, J-11s etc.

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Air Force Brat said:

Not Gonna Happen, I am going to go with the Eng's gut feeling here?? and they question is why? now I'm sure the Chinese would love to be able to buy some 117s to up the performance of their J-20 and even J-15s, J-11s etc.

But they are already flying Russian AL-31FNs, so it really wouldn't be a big deal to swap that out, but they don't need the SU-35s, it really just doesn't make sense unless China is just wanting to help the Russians?

Now the Russians need the cash, but if the Chinese buy the SU-35, that takes money away from the J-20 and the Carrier projects???

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manqiangrexue said:

Well, if they wanted to swap AL-31 for AL-41, they would have to retest the new configuration, optimize its intake, and re-balance it... doing retesting on all models and modifications on all jets. Plus, with the thrust vectoring, things are a whole lot different and more complicated. As for the Su-35, no, China doesn't need it, but it's still a numerical upgrade in addition to China's full manufacturing capability on Flankers. I don't think they took any money from China's own procurement or programs to make this deal. I think China's own production is still running full steam for whatever facilities they have and China's projects are not held back by cash, only by time. So the Su-35 deal is truly an addition to China's forces, not a substitution for anything.

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asif iqbal said:

My personal take is that Russia is not a good friend of China, and vice versa (maybe some chinese friends won't like me saying) but it's a co operation based on necessity as neither has any alternative, other opinions existing and China and Russia might even be enemy's but there is no other choice here

It does not matter what Russia get it's what China gets, it's hard to see that China would put it's credibility on the line and opt for Su35 putting into question decades of hard work on the Flankers it's operated and denting the pride of its current new generation fighters like J10B and J20 but that's exactly what they have seem to have done

It's like me setting up my own business moving away from my previous employer and then once I have established and surpassed by previous employer I go back to him and buy his produce and sell it in my shop, that's a tough pill to swallow

I think Deino posted the right angle here, I think this is dirty politics

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solarz said:

I think the simpler explanation is that if (and I believe that's still an if) China buys the Su35, it will be because they're a good deal.

After all, these are top-of-the-line planes, and while developing your own stuff is good, it doesn't hurt to buy some more when the price is right.

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Brumby said:

It is amazing to see the tortuous path being taken by some members to come to terms with the SU-35 purchase. It includes :
(a)The news can't possibly be true
(b)China is doing Russia a favour
(c)It adds short term capacity
(d)It is a good deal

The simplest explanation is that there is a willing buyer and a willing seller. How complicated can it get?

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solarz said:

Your statement is simply a rephrasing of the premise. Of course there would be a wiling buyer and a willing seller. Some people are simply wondering *why* China would be willing to buy.

You might want to examine your own logic before accusing others of "taking a torturous path".

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Military & Intelligence
10:33 11.03.2016(updated 11:01 11.03.2016)

The contract was signed but it has not come into effect yet, as both sides have not ratified the deal.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia will not start deliveries of Su-35 fighter jets to China in 2016, the head of Russia’s state technologies corporation Rostec said.

"Not this year," Sergei Chemezov said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, responding to the question about the date of the first Su-35 delivery to China.

According to Chemezov, the contract was signed but it has not come into effect yet, as both sides have not ratified the deal.

The ratification is expected to take place in "summer or fall" of 2016, Chemezov added.

In November 2015, Chemezov announced that Russia and China had signed a contract, estimated to be worth $2 billion, on the delivery of 24 Russian Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets.

The Su-35 is a 4++ generation aircraft employing technologies of the fifth generation, designed by the Sukhoi Aviation Holding Company, which belongs to the United Aircraft Corporation. The fighter jet (NATO reporting name Flanker-E) is an upgraded version of the Su-27 multirole fighter. It was first introduced to a foreign audience at the 2013 Paris Air Show.

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Military & Defense
March 11, 11:26 UTC+3

The deal ratification takes long and the first delivery will take place not this year, the corporation head says

MOSCOW, March 11. /TASS/. China’s deal to buy Russian Su-35 fighter jets will be ratified this summer or fall and the supplies will begin after 2016, the head of Russia’s Rostec state corporation Sergey Chemezov said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal.

"We have signed, but it hasn’t come into effect. There’s a procedure on ratification. To sign is not enough, it has to be ratified by our side and the Chinese side," said the head of Rostec, which controls companies operating in the defense industry complex.

Chemezov said the ratification is "a long period" and the first delivery will take place "not this year."

Last November, Moscow and Beijing signed a $2 billion contract on deliveries of 24 advanced Sukhoi Su-35 jets (NATO reporting name Flanker-E). China became the first foreign customer of these jets.

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vincent said:

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"We have signed, but it hasn’t come into effect. There’s a procedure on ratification. To sign is not enough, it has to be ratified by our side and the Chinese side," said the head of Rostec, which controls companies operating in the defense industry complex.

Chemezov said the ratification is "a long period" and the first delivery will take place "not this year."
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