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voyager1

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Objectively Xi's policies and have significantly strengthened China. South China Sea was important to get a stable footing there, as well as the Made in China 2025 program probably saved China from more sanctions from Trump and now Biden.

The only thing I would criticise is that the BRI has been overexpanded and he overestimated China's financial power. Ideally the BRI should have been focused to a maximum of 40 countries so that China's could better concentrate their money to gain more influence.

All in all, Xi by bringing down corruption and having such a broad vision of where he wants his country to go, I would say that his impact on China might even exceed Deng xiaoping and depending on how he handles the extreme strategic competition with the US he could reach point where he would be recorded on the history books at an equal footing with Mao himself
 

ansy1968

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@voyager1 bro I have to disagree with you on this

The only thing I would criticise is that the BRI has been overexpanded and he overestimated China's financial power. Ideally the BRI should have been focused to a maximum of 40 countries so that China's could better concentrate their money to gain more influence.

They need to export its excess industrial capacity while they transition to a new DUAL CIRCULATION strategy. Those money lent or being given as a grant , majority of them flow back to China since most of those project were given to Chinese company. And also you can't quantify goodwill and soft power. those project magnify the Chinese industrial and technological strength.
 

voyager1

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@voyager1 bro I have to disagree with you on this

The only thing I would criticise is that the BRI has been overexpanded and he overestimated China's financial power. Ideally the BRI should have been focused to a maximum of 40 countries so that China's could better concentrate their money to gain more influence.

They need to export its excess industrial capacity while they transition to a new DUAL CIRCULATION strategy. Those money lent or being given as a grant , majority of them flow back to China since most of those project were given to Chinese company. And also you can't quantify goodwill and soft power. those project magnify the Chinese industrial and technological strength.
I understand the point of BRI was exporting capacity but another point was also gaining influence.
What is better, sharing 1000 cookies to 100 kids or sharing 1000 cookies to 50 kids.

Due to overextending the BRI China now has issues trying to keep everything in check and have a valid impact on a country's economy to gain influence. The most recent event was with the 17 + 1 (or 16 + 1..) meeting China had with the central and eastern European countries on February (or end of January) where these countries started drifting away from China because China didn't deliver on its promises to invest in their countries

It was quite big news of the 17 + 1 forum losing relevance, some countries even suggested they saw no future on it.
Because I am frequently reading on these events, the problem is that China doesn't have enough money to spend it everywhere. So China promised them X amount of.investments but after 5 years on a small per sent has happened.

This is a big problem because people now start to doubt China's promises and they are losing trust on the country.

I have heard that there are some improvements to be made in the future regarding the BRI but we will see. The BRI itself IMO is in early stages and it still has time to find opportunities but currently China is losing influence due to its broken promises on financial commitments.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Xi Jinping is methodically destroying the Chinese nation.

First, he devastated China's foreign relations and ravaged China's reputation abroad.
Second, he collapsed China's demographic future and squeezed the very existence of it's young population.
Third, he morally stained the Chinese nation like never before with his pointless genocide of our Uyghur brothers.
Now, he is systematically destroying the value of China's tech economy with his never-ending crackdowns.

I don't see how any single person can look at him and think what he's doing makes sense. The idea that he is entitled to so much power is ridiculous. Deng had power because he was a long marcher, he brought China back from the Great Leap Forward, he survived the cultural revolution, and initiated reform and opening which was the greatest thing to happen to the Chinese people in thousands of years. Mao had power because he took a peasant army that was outnumbered 10-to-1 and finally rejuvenated the Chinese nation, united the country, ended the century of humiliation, and founded the People's Republic. What did the criminal Xi Jinping do to deserve power? Nothing. To compare Xi to Deng and Mao who made superhuman accomplishments is the biggest insult in history.
Here we go again with your nonsensical drivel that you may end up backtracking later on with yet another contrite mea culpa.

You have a habit of making definitive statements against China and now against it's leader without providing a single shred of evidence to support your idiotic assertions.

How has Pres.Xi singlehandedly destroyed China? What policy proposals or actions has he taken that made China’s demographics in the worst condition? And in the face of rising geopolitical tensions with the west what was he supposed to do? Oh I get it, you want him to bend over backwards to your America that you are so enamored with based on your past statements.

What you have preferred for him to do or any Chinese leaders for that matter is to keep a low profile = always take the backseat to American primacy in just about everything else.

Your comment honestly pissed the f..k out of me. I think you're quite scummy and purposely incendiary with some of the comments you made because you tend to get away with them all the time since you like to play off your insidious attitude with deer in the headlight excuse.
 
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solarz

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@solarz do you think he will do the same to his successor? From outside looking in we have no news of possible candidate and with the cold war heating up between the US, I think he will stay behind the scene to act as a stabilizing force inside the CCP.

Why would he need to when he can just stay on as president?

As a "stabilizing" force, maybe, in the sense that he can play mediator and defuse potential conflicts.
 

OppositeDay

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Third, he morally stained the Chinese nation like never before with his pointless genocide of our Uyghur brothers.

Stopping parroting Western lies and have some respect for Chinese people including Uyghurs. Western "liberals" love to infantilize others and deprive them of their agency in order to satisfy their superiority/white savior complex. Stop inhaling their non-sense and take a deep breath.

Here's an answer on Zhihu from an Uyghur poster who spend much of his time there exposing Han supremacists and whose self-introduction reads "Racism will sooner or later bite itself". I'm crossing out his name since I don't have permission to repost.

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Here he's responding to a question about BBC's claim that Uyghur women were systematically raped.

I don't know if you read Chinese, but here‘s a partial translation for anyone who doesn't.

"This is not only a slander against the country [China], but more so slander and insult against us Uyghur people. What do they think we Uyghurs are?
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When I personally faced unjust treatment, I could and dared to stand up and speak out. I could fight back against the lawbreakers. I have defended my legitimate rights with a few phone calls. I have refuted so many people on Zhihu, openly responding to any and all attacks on my people, and I'm still here alive and well.

A single individual such as myself could do this, let along a people of 10+ million. How could we as a people allow such cruel and inhumane atrocities to occur. If such atrocities had occurred, how could we be so clam. We Uyghurs are human beings, we are a people with dignity, will and courage. We are not the weak cowards in need of others' saving like they imagine. I have already said this elsewhere, the person capable of committing genocide on my people - their mother has yet to be born."
 
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FangYuan

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Stopping parroting Western lies and have some respect for Chinese people including Uyghurs.

In fact, many Westerners say that Uighurs are genocidal, not because they have the correct evidence but because they want to believe it to be true. They can use it as an excuse to attack and insult China. It is meaningless to try to argue right and wrong with shameless people.
 

gadgetcool5

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Here we go again with your nonsensical drivel that you may end up backtracking later on with yet another contrite mea culpa.

You have a habit of making definitive statements against China and now against it's leader without providing a single shred of evidence to support your idiotic assertions.

How has Pres.Xi singlehandedly destroyed China?
For the four reasons I listed.

What policy proposals or actions has he taken that made China’s demographics in the worst condition?
He has allowed China's birth rate to fall by over 25% while still maintaining an anti-natalist policy of banning the third child, single parenthood, and freezing eggs. This year, the UN estimates the number of babies born on new year's in China fell from 46,000 to 35,000.

And in the face of rising geopolitical tensions with the west what was he supposed to do? Oh I get it, you want him to bend over backwards to your America that you are so enamored with based on your past statements.
Did Mao Zedong post-1972, Hua Guofeng, Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao bend over backwards? If he had just done what those leaders did the rising tensions would barely have been a ripple. He is the one who started all this to begin with. The best way to challenge American primacy is to strengthen China, and you can't do that by turning the whole world (except Russia) against you. And even with Russia, the *only* reason relations improved is because of the Euromaidan revolution, it has nothing to do with any moves Xi made.

Your comment honestly pissed the f..k out of me. I think you're quite scummy and purposely incendiary with some of the comments you made because you tend to get away with them all the time since you like to play off your insidious attitude with deer in the headlight excuse.
I feel strongly about the issue. I really don't talk about it a lot because I don't like to start too many fights, and because I hope I'm wrong and I keep looking for reasons why Xi is a good leader, because China needs him to be. But when I see stuff like Xi attacking Chinese tech companies, which is the top goal of Pompeo and others, I admit I lose it a little. Pompeo and other China enemies are probably sitting back laughing at Xi's attack on Chinese tech. On top of all the other stuff he's done it's just too much. One poster above credit Xi for MIC2025 but that's Li Keqiang's idea. When Li is gone and is replaced by a hardliner I wouldn't be surprised if China gradually shifted towards the North Korea economic model. It'll happen slowly so people don't notice. Xi is all about himself and not China.
 
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