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Janiz

Senior Member
It is ironic while Japan recall their peacekeeping force China expand it
What's ironic in it? JGSDF units withdrew as the situation is worsening and they can't operate any longer engage in peacekeeping operations under those circumstances. They used all the tricks to describe the situation otherwise (like using words 'clash' instead of 'fighting') but couldn't do that any longer due to domestic pressure as they can only deploy when cease of fire is maintained between the sides of conflict. Japanese government wanted to stay, JGSDF wanted to stay but press didn't like that so the withdrew.

I ask again - what's ironic in here?
 

Janiz

Senior Member
JGSDF take orders from the press?
Surely JGSDF can't break Japanese laws and have to follow the orders of superiors. Just like CCP directs it's private force. You both should look up the 'irony' definition in the dictionary as it has nothing to do with 'irony'.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Surely JGSDF can't break Japanese laws and have to follow the orders of superiors. Just like CCP directs it's private force. You both should look up the 'irony' definition in the dictionary as it has nothing to do with 'irony'.

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If the JGSDF obeys the press, that is irony to me.
 

Janiz

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Well, it surely doesn't match that definition. Your definition is Japan is a laughingstock, whatever the reason. In every country around the world government have to pay attention to the public opinion, even in PRC. In some countries it ends up with political decision (mainly mature democratic countries, like Japan or US for example), in some (like PRC) in making the decision to shut people up. How ironic...
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Well, it surely doesn't match that definition. Your definition is Japan is a laughingstock, whatever the reason. In every country around the world government have to pay attention to the public opinion, even in PRC. In some countries it ends up with political decision (mainly mature democratic countries, like Japan or US for example), in some (like PRC) in making the decision to shut people up. How ironic...

No, it does not mean Japan is a laughing stock as per the definition. That Japan should be taking orders from the press instead of the government as you stated in your post constitutes irony as per
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It is not normal whether by American or Chinese standard for the army to listen to press.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
What's ironic in it? JGSDF units withdrew as the situation is worsening and they can't operate any longer engage in peacekeeping operations under those circumstances. They used all the tricks to describe the situation otherwise (like using words 'clash' instead of 'fighting') but couldn't do that any longer due to domestic pressure as they can only deploy when cease of fire is maintained between the sides of conflict. Japanese government wanted to stay, JGSDF wanted to stay but press didn't like that so the withdrew.

I ask again - what's ironic in here?

I find it ironic because Japan like to point finger at China accusing her as rule breaker of international law and at the same time like to see herself as the defender of international rule or law
Yet when it come to where it count as to maintain peace and order in South Sudan conflict as mandated by the U
Japan just shirk her responsibility

Conflict and war was never meant to be walk in the park. Yes people get killed. And China has it share of pain and anguish as 2 of her own were killed. But that is the price of being a stake holder.

I mean when you join and army you know that life is at stake here It is definitely not a safe profession

I don't care about Japan constitutional law. I get confused on one hand they want to be treated as a normal country with their full functioning armed forces able to spread their wing

Yet here is your chance to do good for humanity and make a proper use of excellent logistic, well trained Japanese army
Yet she withdrawn her contingent only after a firecracker or two

The same attitude can be said about Japan ODE . Japan is wealthy and has excellent technology. Expert in building infrastructure. On my visit I am struck by how well built is Japanese road . Yet their contribution to Asia is very minimal
They do offer help but mostly in small scale project and one or two big project

If they want to compete with China show it in peaceful way and beneficial to Asia and the world
 

Janiz

Senior Member
No, it does not mean Japan is a laughing stock as per the definition. That Japan should be taking orders from the press instead of the government as you stated in your post constitutes irony as per
You should know how it was - Japan can't commit to the peacekeeping operations under UN when the sides of the conflict don't commit to cease of fire. That's written in the Japanese law. As the situation was worsening in South Sudan from last year they couldn't hide it anymore that staying there would be breaking the Japanese law. They wanted to stay but a law is a law. And by the letter of law all Japanese units had to be recalled back to Japan. It wasn't press. It was Japanese law that was executed in this case. It had nothing to do with Chinese recent deployment like other user hinted or Japanese press when you can read about situation in South Sudan from various overseas medias... I, knowing the situation from A to Z, can't find that 'ironic' link between press ordering SDF to withdraw from South Sudan that you found so easily.
Yet when it come to where it count as to maintain peace and order in South Sudan conflict as mandated by the U
Japan just shirk her responsibility
You should know a thing or two before commenting on such matters because as I wrote you - it's Japanese law that they have to obey.
Yet here is your chance to do good for humanity and make a proper use of excellent logistic, well trained Japanese army
They did their work, built a few km of roads etc. They can't use their arms being a 3rd party in a conflict. But that's changing and situation can be different in a few years from now.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
You should know how it was - Japan can't commit to the peacekeeping operations under UN when the sides of the conflict don't commit to cease of fire. That's written in the Japanese law. As the situation was worsening in South Sudan from last year they couldn't hide it anymore that staying there would be breaking the Japanese law. They wanted to stay but a law is a law. And by the letter of law all Japanese units had to be recalled back to Japan. It wasn't press. It was Japanese law that was executed in this case. It had nothing to do with Chinese recent deployment like other user hinted or Japanese press when you can read about situation in South Sudan from various overseas medias... I, knowing the situation from A to Z, can't find that 'ironic' link between press ordering SDF to withdraw from South Sudan that you found so easily.

As I wrote previously, it is ironic because the army was not supposed to be listening to the press. But
now you wrote it was not the press that influenced the government. So you are changing the story to fit your new tack. But it is ok with me. I can believe you.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
And about stronger PLA presence in South Sudan it's nothing surprising considering PRC's efforts and involvement in this part of Africa. Both resources and willingness is there for the job.
 
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