Chinese Naval Threat to SEA?

Schumacher said:

Score one at least for inter-Asian diplomacy, continuous squabble will benefit only the west and non of the Asian countries involved.

Click to expand...

I don't see how Europe and the Americas benefit from disharmony in the region. After all, if those countries ever went to war, we wouldn't be able to trade with them.

as malaysian we dont think china is a threat
wat our leader said china will emerge as a big economic power.
and also china is offering us with weapon like ks-1a.
even our navy exchanged visit with plan recently
i think china only want to be good friend of sea country.

akinkhoo said:

why do China upgrading the south china fleet faster than even the fleet facing taiwan or japan anyway?

Click to expand...

cough Taiwan cough. You don't exactly expect the 7th fleet to come cruising in from the east, do you?

Mr_C said:

In regards to the "China Threat" I came across an interesting article from "Japan Times" which was written by a former Australian Diplomat. There is very little in this article that most of us don't know. But however it helps in clearing various things up.
Here is the link:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Click to expand...

Very good article. It seems worthwhile that akinkhoo can take a look of it. The writer of the article also has a website. It looks interesting, too.

I think that the answer depends on what you mean. Would it be rational for China to claim the areas and perhaps become involved in a major regional war? No. Might it happen anyway? I think so.

In the "real world" people and nations do things that are not rational all the time, due to more abstract factors than economic profits. Here we have things like national pride, fear etc. Was the Falkland War rational? In the end Argentina ended up in a worse sitation than it started from. It was a war that came out of national pride and domestic problems.

I am not saying that China will invade and create a major war, but tensions are high in the whole area. Wars may spring out from unathorized provocations also, like the Jameissons raid which caused the Boer War. What if a bunch of fisherman make a landfall on an unihabited island and build themselves a hut were they fly their flag, and then the neghbouring government reacts, thinking it needs to show the surronding world that it has not given up it claims? Things like that have escaletad into wars earlier.

Hello, if you're doing territorial negotiations, you don't start by giving away the farm. Both sides lay out their maximum-expansion claims and bargain down from there.

Click to expand...

international maritime law only allows you to claim a certain distance from your coast. china has exceeded this "maximum" claim. imagine US laying claim to every ocean that is not territorial waters of another country and call it their maximum! i think you get the point on just how much china is claiming now...

vincelee said:

cough Taiwan cough. You don't exactly expect the 7th fleet to come cruising in from the east, do you?

Click to expand...

Taiwan is opposing the east fleet, not the south fleet, what are you trying to say?

Typhoon said:

Very good article. It seems worthwhile that akinkhoo can take a look of it. The writer of the article also has a website. It looks interesting, too.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Click to expand...

i seen his works a long time ago, however you should note he was writing in regards of western policies on china, not asean. anyway, this is completely unrelated to the point of the thread.

---

as said, i believe china wants the lion share of the south china seas. i would challenge anyone to say china does not have such intentions. i did not state i see china as a threat, i am saying china wants to dine.

Taiwan is opposing the east fleet, not the south fleet, what are you trying to say?

Click to expand...

It was that way traditionally, but i doubt so anymore. Why does the south sea fleet have all the latest DDGs, landing ships, and 50,000 marines?

The east sea fleet appears to be deployed primarily against japan, not taiwan.

One must not read too much into rethorics/reports on naval threats. There will be no threat (as of now), as the scenario in the South China Sea changes with recent going ons (inc. US military/naval involvement in the region). China's government is wise enough to know that we live in an inter-dependent world, which must include avoidance of belligerency in the region. The UNCLOS should be the arbiter of claimed territorial waters by any country.

Nice, bring back a thread from five years ago lol..

Bltizo said:

Nice, bring back a thread from five years ago lol..

Click to expand...

The thread is still relevant. Keep yourself updated on recent events in SEA especially the South China Sea.