Chinese military exports to other countries

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Lion

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escobar said:
The Chilean Air Force Commander, General Rojas, came to HAIG (Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation) on September 27. He attended a demonstration flight of L-15 and visited the center flight test, the assembly and flight control laboratory. He took the opportunity to use the flight simulator L-15:
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Back in April, the financial director of Hongdu Aviation Industry Group announced at the 4th International Summit of China's aviation manufacturing industry that the group will export twelve L-15 to South America and Africa this year. He did not specify the country, but indicates that the list price of an L-15 is between 70-80M RMB:
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Congrat China, L-15 will get it first export customer faster than JF-17. Looks like its fully endorse and support by AVIC. While Jf-17 which is a share project with customer show its flaws.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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plawolf said:
Good point, as in this day and age, it is a rare thing for a fighter deal to be decided only based on the capabilities of the planes on offer.

However, having said that, I can see something like the F60 being very attractive a lot of countries who have traditionally gone for better stuff, especially if ToT and integration of foreign weapons is involved.

Countries like Turkey and Brazil are only just at the drawing board stage with planes that are remarkable similar to the F60 in role, size and capabilities, and they are looking into such projects as a means to try and build their own aviation industries.

If given the chance to buy in on a project that is nearing first flight, it would shave years off their in service dates, massively reduce risks and probably be a great deal cheaper to boot.

Look at the cost spirals, delays and all the black boxes the US has with the F35 and it is certainly possible to see the F60 being more attractive to non-core allied countries of the US, and it would be specially attractive to some middle east countries. There have been a more past cases where the likes of Kuwait and Saudi has gone with Chinese systems when they had the option of top-of-the-line western kit. With Saudi going to Typhoons and strong speculate that the UEA might opt for Rafales, it doesn't look like America has those markets locked down either.

Egypt would be another possible candidate following on from the connections made with the K8 deal, but with the recent power struggles and the US back generals pulling the strikes behind the scenes, maybe the US has that locked down, and I don't think Egypt would be looking to make any big weapons purchases till they have got their house in order first.

The only issue I can see is the F60 is designed by SAC. If it was CAC, well the F60 could be very promising. But I half expect SAC to screw it up somehow.

I am more excited by the F60 because I hope it would spur CAC onto new heights, and if CAC can have the spare capacity to come up with their own medium weight 5th gen counter to the F60, then I can see that as a serious contender to breaking into the kinds of markets I have just listed above. But with SAC's F60, I think they only have an outside shot if past form is anything to go by. here's to hoping all the humiliation CAC have heaped on them with the J10 and J20 wins have motivated them to pull their thump out at SAC with the F60.
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Turkey is a level 3 partner of F35 and has a order to assemble 116 of the fighters I highly doubt Turkey would buy F60
 
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In case you ever wondered why J-7s are still flying from CAC factory runways, the latest photos from Bangladesh indicates that they ordered 16 F-7BGI in 2011 that just got delivered. They probably went for at most $10 million each with everything included. Looks like as long China is willing to produce more F-7s, poor countries are still willing to buy them.
 
Kurt

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Lion said:
Congrat China, L-15 will get it first export customer faster than JF-17. Looks like its fully endorse and support by AVIC. While Jf-17 which is a share project with customer show its flaws.
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Funny thing, but L-15 and JF-17 compete for the same market as fighters with the L-15 additionally being a trainer meant for cheap maintenance. Who currentyl buys a 3rd generation fighter is certainly not a high-tech nation.
 
SteelBird

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tphuang said:
In case you ever wondered why J-7s are still flying from CAC factory runways, the latest photos from Bangladesh indicates that they ordered 16 F-7BGI in 2011 that just got delivered. They probably went for at most $10 million each with everything included. Looks like as long China is willing to produce more F-7s, poor countries are still willing to buy them.
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Tell you what, the Royal Air Force of Cambodia still does not have enough $$$ to buy or operate the J-7.
 
SteelBird

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I think the trainer in the photo is not K-8. It's twin engines while K-8 is single one. Every time I take off from Phnom Penh airport, I see a line of J-7/MiG-21 fighters lying at the military air field the same way they used to be. These were bought second-hand during the clash with the royalist force in the July 5, 1997 and afterward. It's like the aircraft never change their parking position. They are either not air worthy or no fuel to fly.
 
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