Chinese infantry fighting vehicles

Gloire_bb

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I wonder if the same can be applied to the ground vehicle's lidars and millimeter wave radar of the APS units
I searched vehicle photos carefully, and I don't think it's the case; radars are most probably just that - radars. If they were comms, all vehicles would've gotten them, which isn't the case: nona.cn airborne mortar doesn't.
But "duck lips" likely are quite likely indeed comm phased arrays.
Interesting that there's no obvious flat SATCOM antenna, but there's suitable mushroom head.
 

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Hi guys. Looking at this picture there seems no verticale launch systeem for ATGM or loitering munitions at all. Those soliders are at the same place where the metal cover were. Can we conclude from this, that there will be no ATGM for this ifv even not in the future? Sounds odd because most older ifv from the PLA always had Some form of ATGM like HJ 73 or even a gun launced ATGM. Even the latent airborne ifv, althoug lighter, had some.
 

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tphuang

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And I think the millimeter wave radars can even be used to transmit/relay info to units within LOS, acting as data-link/communication channel themselves. They put in an expensive piece of radar, might as well make it useful in more than one ways.
MMW radar cost is really low in China. The several meter range type for EVs now retail for like 100 RMB. same with all the camera modules you also see these days. That's how they are able to plaster MMW radar, lidar and cameras and all these ground vehicles.

And no, they won't be data-linking with MMW radar.They should do that through other antennas. At some point in the future, once we have LEO constellation fully in operation, they will all be connected to at least one such satellite with very low latency and communicate and share data that way.
 

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BMDs(airborne IFVs) have mixed reputation, but important to note that airborne forces can be terrific against uncoordinated and/or weak opponents.
Some of the most successful airborne assaults were conducted in PTO by japanese, and conditions that made them so successful back then are still valid today.
 

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BMDs(airborne IFVs) have mixed reputation, but important to note that airborne forces can be terrific against uncoordinated and/or weak opponents.
Some of the most successful airborne assaults were conducted in PTO by japanese, and conditions that made them so successful back then are still valid today.
Air Bourne forces will be the key factor in Chinese invasion of Taiwan instead of amphibious invasion. Cause Shore based defenses will not work against air assault forces.
 

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Air Bourne forces will be the key factor in Chinese invasion of Taiwan instead of amphibious invasion. Cause Shore based defenses will not work against air assault forces.
I'm doubtful about Taiwan - it's a very dense AD environment; modern airlifters are just not assault craft. Even if it can be done militarily, i doubt it can be done politically.
Mr. Marcos and MLRs, however, should take note.
 

plawolf

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MMW radar cost is really low in China. The several meter range type for EVs now retail for like 100 RMB. same with all the camera modules you also see these days. That's how they are able to plaster MMW radar, lidar and cameras and all these ground vehicles.

And no, they won't be data-linking with MMW radar.They should do that through other antennas. At some point in the future, once we have LEO constellation fully in operation, they will all be connected to at least one such satellite with very low latency and communicate and share data that way.

Satcoms would be great, but one area of future ground warfare I can see developing is that signal management will become massively important to survival, especially as loitering munitions becomes more prevalent and ubiquitous.

It could easily get to a point where SoP becomes you basically just loose off some loitering munitions at general grid co-ordinates if EW detects signals traffic in that area, and the loitering munitions becomes both a full kill chain for low value/volume targets of opportunity, and recon for heavy artillery and missile strikes if significant enemy formations are detected.

Under that general threat environment, Satcom becomes sub-optimal, at least in terms of two-way real time comms and data sharing, and may be relegated to one-way signals traffic where your ground forces only receive and don’t transmit. In which case directional laser comms might become the preferred method for localised comms between vehicles and units, and a tethered drone would become an ideal comms relay node for the lasers without needing direct LoS to each vehicle. Depending on how the technology develops, lasers might even replace hardline tethers where the drone gets both data and power via laser connections to vehicles.

But that’s probably a generation or two away, barring a major war involving China before then.
 

by78

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Better versions of previously shared images of the new PLAAF Airborne IFV. Pardon the image sizes. It's worth it.

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