Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

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An English summary of the report:
- Top 10 institutions by the number of papers published on hypersonic research (2000-2022):
Harbin Institute of Technology 294, Northwestern Polytechnical University 290, National University of Defense Technology 243, Beihang University 147, Moscow University 92, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 88, Chinese Academy of Sciences 82. Russian Academy of Sciences 77, Tianjin University 74, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 70.

- Distribution of high-level hypersonic researchers by country:
China 1906, the United States 241, Russia 86, Japan 63, India 43, Germany 39, the United Kingdom 34, Australia 33, France 30, Italy 15.

- Top 10 countries where hypersonic patent applicants originate and the number of applications:
China 10092, the United States 3762, Japan 1892, Russia 1308, South Korea 696, Germany 601, the United Kingdom 322, France 292, Ukraine 222, and the Netherlands 186.

- Top 10 countries ranked by published hypersonic research papers (2000 to 2022):
China 3123, the United States 1122, Russia 361, the United Kingdom 235, India 197, Australia 159, Japan 159, Germany 130, Italy 130, France 115.

- Top 10 institutions by the number of hypersonic patent applications:
PLA National University of Defense Science and Technology 513, China Aerospace Aerodynamics Technology Research Institute 501, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 461, General Electric Company 460, China Aerodynamic Research and Development Center Hypervelocity Aerodynamics Research Institute 379, Northwestern Polytechnical University 373, Beihang University 330, Boeing 296, Harbin Institute of Technology 264, China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology 220.
 
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An English summary of the report:
- Top 10 institutions by the number of papers published on hypersonic research (2000-2022):
Harbin Institute of Technology 294, Northwestern Polytechnical University 290, National University of Defense Technology 243, Beihang University 147, Moscow University 92, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 88, Chinese Academy of Sciences 82. Russian Academy of Sciences 77, Tianjin University 74, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 70.

- Distribution of high-level hypersonic researchers by country:
China 1906, the United States 241, Russia 86, Japan 63, India 43, Germany 39, the United Kingdom 34, Australia 33, France 30, Italy 15.

- Top 10 countries where hypersonic patent applicants originate and the number of applications:
China 10092, the United States 3762, Japan 1892, Russia 1308, South Korea 696, Germany 601, the United Kingdom 322, France 292, Ukraine 222, and the Netherlands 186.

- Top 10 countries ranked by published hypersonic research papers (2000 to 2022):
China 3123, the United States 1122, Russia 361, the United Kingdom 235, India 197, Australia 159, Japan 159, Germany 130, Italy 130, France 115.

- Top 10 institutions by the number of hypersonic patent applications:
PLA National University of Defense Science and Technology 513, China Aerospace Aerodynamics Technology Research Institute 501, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 461, General Electric Company 460, China Aerodynamic Research and Development Center Hypervelocity Aerodynamics Research Institute 379, Northwestern Polytechnical University 373, Beihang University 330, Boeing 296, Harbin Institute of Technology 264, China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology 220.
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Impressive.

It confirms that the breadth and depth of China's R&D programs on hypersonic are unmatched in the world.
 
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Interesting take on US thinking on hypersonic missiles.

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The biggest theme is that the US military does not believe hypersonic missiles are significant threat due to their prohibitive cost.

Cost concerns are a significant issue. For example, in a
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, Alex Hollings notes that the hypersonic weapons the US Air Force (USAF) has in development cost $106 million each while those of the US Navy (USN) run at $89.6 million per unit. He notes the cheapest US hypersonic weapon costs $40 million per round.
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He goes on to compare these costs to that of a USAF F-35A fighter at $78 million – showing that one expendable hypersonic weapon comes close to or exceeds the costs of one of the US’ most capable combat aircraft. Hollings points out that the high costs of hypersonics make it difficult, if not impossible, to amass a substantial stockpile of the weapons.
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Yet we've heard that DF-17 costs about 10 million yuan, which is less than $1.5 million.
 
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Interesting take on US thinking on hypersonic missiles.

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The biggest theme is that the US military does not believe hypersonic missiles are significant threat due to their prohibitive cost.





Yet we've heard that DF-17 costs about 10 million yuan, which is less than $1.5 million.
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You cant even buy a decent house in US for $1.5 million these days thats crazy cheap for a DF17
 
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weig2000 said:
Interesting take on US thinking on hypersonic missiles.

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The biggest theme is that the US military does not believe hypersonic missiles are significant threat due to their prohibitive cost.





Yet we've heard that DF-17 costs about 10 million yuan, which is less than $1.5 million.
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You missed this gem:
Asia Times has previously noted that the US may still be figuring out where these new weapons fit into its overall military doctrine. While the US may envision a conventional tactical role for its hypersonics, China and Russia see them as part of their strategic nuclear deterrents.
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You missed this gem:
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That's what Americans believe. The reason for this is that they overestimate their own anti-ballistic system, thinking that Russia and China are breaking their heads in an attempt to create alternatives to pierce the American anti-ballistic defensive shield, some ICBM missiles with decoys are already able to penetrate so easily that it is laughable that they overestimate the system they have, China which has no binding agreement with the US and can rapidly increase the number of ICBMs with multiple warheads and decoys, would not need to create hypersonic missiles for nuclear deterrence.

Russia has developed the Avangard for nuclear deterrence, but is also putting into service the Zircon, which has a conventional anti-ship and land-attack role. China developed the DF-17 with a conventional mission.
 
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An English summary of the report:
- Top 10 institutions by the number of papers published on hypersonic research (2000-2022):
Harbin Institute of Technology 294, Northwestern Polytechnical University 290, National University of Defense Technology 243, Beihang University 147, Moscow University 92, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 88, Chinese Academy of Sciences 82. Russian Academy of Sciences 77, Tianjin University 74, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 70.

- Distribution of high-level hypersonic researchers by country:
China 1906, the United States 241, Russia 86, Japan 63, India 43, Germany 39, the United Kingdom 34, Australia 33, France 30, Italy 15.

- Top 10 countries where hypersonic patent applicants originate and the number of applications:
China 10092, the United States 3762, Japan 1892, Russia 1308, South Korea 696, Germany 601, the United Kingdom 322, France 292, Ukraine 222, and the Netherlands 186.

- Top 10 countries ranked by published hypersonic research papers (2000 to 2022):
China 3123, the United States 1122, Russia 361, the United Kingdom 235, India 197, Australia 159, Japan 159, Germany 130, Italy 130, France 115.

- Top 10 institutions by the number of hypersonic patent applications:
PLA National University of Defense Science and Technology 513, China Aerospace Aerodynamics Technology Research Institute 501, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics 461, General Electric Company 460, China Aerodynamic Research and Development Center Hypervelocity Aerodynamics Research Institute 379, Northwestern Polytechnical University 373, Beihang University 330, Boeing 296, Harbin Institute of Technology 264, China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology 220.
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It's standing out oddly to me that SK has created this many hypersonic patents when the country lacks the researchers and institutions in this area. There are not many published papers from SK either.
 
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Interesting take on US thinking on hypersonic missiles.

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The biggest theme is that the US military does not believe hypersonic missiles are significant threat due to their prohibitive cost.





Yet we've heard that DF-17 costs about 10 million yuan, which is less than $1.5 million.
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Curious what the PLA's hypersonic ship launched and the air launched versions cost respectively, as that would be a more direct comparison for the article than the DF-17. I imagine it'll still be a lot cheaper than whatever the unit cost the Americans come up with. Actually the article isn't very clear, but when they say hypersonic, do they mean boost glide missiles or HGV? US Navy's CPS is more like YJ-21 so they actually mean boost glide type?

Also they mentioned $40 mil for their cheapest hypersonic weapon. I'm guessing they probably mean the US army's Dark Eagle missile, which from what I understand is more like a DF-21D with MaRV boost glide warhead than a DF-17's HGV. So their DF-21D equivalent is about twice the unit cost of a DF-26.
 
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Curious what the PLA's hypersonic ship launched and the air launched versions cost respectively, as that would be a more direct comparison for the article than the DF-17. I imagine it'll still be a lot cheaper than whatever the unit cost the Americans come up with. Actually the article isn't very clear, but when they say hypersonic, do they mean boost glide missiles or HGV? US Navy's CPS is more like YJ-21 so they actually mean boost glide type?

Also they mentioned $40 mil for their cheapest hypersonic weapon. I'm guessing they probably mean the US army's Dark Eagle missile, which from what I understand is more like a DF-21D with MaRV boost glide warhead than a DF-17's HGV. So their DF-21D equivalent is about twice the unit cost of a DF-26.
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Df17s have anti ship capabilities
 
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