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AssassinsMace

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The article is for dumb people who want an authority to confirm their need to intellectually paint China as the next Nazi Germany. They're just looking for an excuse to stop China out of their self-serving interests. The fact is you can spin any war to look like something from the past. What they're not telling you is this is simply they see China not working in their system that is designed to keep them in power. Painting China as the next Nazi Germany is to give people excuses to stop it. They're trying to say China is going to commit the horrible acts of Nazi Germany so it must be prevented. All that other intellectual nonsense... no one is reading. It must be embarrassing when the people who want to scare Africans from doing business with China have to use the ghosts of their own past to do it. Same tactic by bringing up Nazi Germany. The thing making people believe China is the next Nazi Germany is the notion of racism. Asian are seen as more racist than Westerners. Hence China has to be the next Nazi Germany. How? Because they want to believe it so they can get that burden of their imperialist past off their backs. Take all the "official" victims in the West's victim culture and look at who was responsible? They themselves are. And the irony is China is racist not because of racist acts they can point out, but because of incidents with Japanese and Koreans, their allies. What makes them think Asians are more racist is because of racist comments made by Japanese politicians and incidents with South Korean grocery store owners with minorities that got a lot of attention in the US. The reason it got a lot of attention is also the same reason the racism displayed at the World Cup is not getting a lot of attention. That's why Asians are more racist. So now they've transferred that to international agendas. Hitler wanted a world that benefitted Nazi Germany first and he wanted to eliminate anyone who didn't serve that end. You can apply that to the West who complain about China. See how easy it is to paint someone as a Nazi. Look at how because of Japanese politicians making racist remarks and tensions between South Korean store owners and minority customers can be easily equated to China being the next Nazi Germany. Not hard to associate the critics of China with Nazi Germany by that logic.
 

Blackstone

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Aljazeera reports Uygers defying the Communist Party of China edict on Ramadan fasting. It seems not even a Leninist totalitarian state could stamp out religion.

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Kashgar, China - Chinese authorities have imposed restrictions on Uighur Muslims during the month of Ramadan, banning government employees and school children from fasting, in what rights groups say has become an annual attempt at systematically erasing the region's Islamic identity.

Chinese authorities have justified the ban on fasting by saying it is meant to protect the health of students, and restrictions on religious practices by government officials are meant to ensure the state does not support any particular faith.

Yet in Kashgar, in Xinjiang province, China's westernmost city, close to the border with Tajikstan and Kyrgyztan, Uighur Muslims say the restrictions have backfired. Not only have locals become more observant of Islamic practices, but many have found ways to flaunt Chinese laws restricting everything from who may attend the mosque, to which copies of the Quran are read.

They want to cut our children off from Islam. We are not allowed to teach them the Quran, but we do, at home - secretly.

"That is Mao ZeDong," said Omar, a taxi driver, pointing to a 24m-tall statue of the founder of the People's Republic of China, as he navigates his taxi through traffic across People's Square. "He brought all the Chinese here," he added, out of earshot of the soldiers lining up across the street.

A few minutes later, the soldiers pile into trucks and move to the city's commercial centre down the road, where police frisk shoppers at the entrance to a shopping mall. Across Kashgar, security forces have been deployed to thwart potential attacks by Uighur militants seeking to wrestle control of Xinjiang province from Beijing.

Home to some of China's largest deposits of oil, natural gas, and coal, Xinjiang has a majority Muslim Uighur population - a Turkic ethnic group with a language and culture closer to Central Asia. Before the region was absorbed into the People's Republic of China in 1949, almost everyone here was Uighur, but the numbers have have since declined, dropping to below half by the year 2000, as tens of millions of Han Chinese - the majority population of mainland China - were encouraged to settle here by the government.

That demographic shift, which accelerated in the 1990s as Beijing began to develop Xinjiang, combined with Chinese laws restricting Islamic practices by Uighurs and the 1997 execution of 30 Uighur separatists by Chinese authorities, triggered a wave of violence by militants that has left hundreds of people dead, mostly civilians.

Last month, a suicide bomber killed 39 people in the provincial capitol of Urumqi, and police claimed to have killed 13 men who attempted to ram an explosives-laden vehicle into their office near Kashgar.

The deadly violence - including an attack by knife-wielding men at a train station in Kuming that killed 29 in March - has sparked a massive crackdown by Beijing, with authorities announcing the convictions of more than 400 people across Xinjiang. Last Wednesday, Kashgar authorities announced 113 people had been sentenced for crimes, including supporting terrorism and inciting ethnic hatred and ethnic discrimination.

"The government says every Uighur, if they have a beard or wear a hijab, they are a terrorist," said Abdul Majid, who owns a mobile phone shop near People's Square. He says the last time tensions were this high was in 2009, after 184 people died in clashes between Uighurs and Han Chinese in Urumqi.

'All these problems started after September 11'

A world away from Kashgar's commercial centre lies the city's heart: a nearly 2,000-year-old Uighur quarter that is currently being rebuilt, literally brick by brick, by mostly Han Chinese migrant workers. Kashgar's ancient mosques are being restored and the homes in the old city re-imagined with hints of Central Asian architecture and with help from the Chinese government. It's part of a programme that authorities say is aimed at making the area earthquake-resistant.

"If Allah wants to kill us, he will send an earthquake, and he will kill us," said Hajji Abdul Razzak, a silk merchant who has chosen not to have his home in the old city rebuilt. "A lot of people have left, and just put their houses out to rent."

Around the corner from Kashgar's 572-year-old Id Kah Mosque, a large notice board implores Uighurs to adopt modern attire. One half of the board is covered in pictures depicting traditional Uighurs, women in colourful dresses and flowing hair and clean-shaven men. The other half shows rows of men with beards and women in headscarves or face-covering veils, all with a red X over them.

"All these problems started after September 11th," said Abdul Razzak. "The Pakistan border [with China] was completely sealed, and when it opened a few years later, these Uighurs from Pakistan and Afghanistan came. They are doing all these [bombings], but we are being oppressed."

Restrictions ignored

Yet, Abdul Razzak and other Uighurs said the attempt to clamp down on religious expression has backfired in Kashgar, with more and more locals flaunting the restrictions.

Nearly every business in Kashgar's old city is closed during the hottest part of the afternoon when Al Jazeera visited this week during Ramadan.

In the evening, throngs of young women in headscarves or full face veils pass signs posted at Kashgar's main hospital reminding them veiled women cannot enter.

Along with government employees, children under the age of 18 are barred from attending mosques, yet dozens of men attending night prayers at one of Kashgar's medieval mosques have brought along their children. Toddlers line up next to the adults, imitating their movements during prayers.

"Sure, it's against the law to bring kids to the masjid [mosque], but we do it anyway," said Ghulam Abbas, a middle-aged Uighur man who makes a living selling fried fish on the main boulevard in the old city.

He added that, for centuries, parents sent their children to maktaps, part-time schools at the mosque, where they memorised the Quran - but this practise, along with most organised religious instruction, is now prohibited in Xinjiang.

Asked if Uighurs are forgetting how to recite the Quran as a result, Abbas called his eight-year-old son over and, after some coaxing, convinced him to recite a chapter from memory. "They want to cut our children off from Islam," Abbas said. "We are not allowed to teach them the Quran, but we do, at home - secretly."

It is not the only restriction that is being ignored by the Uighurs in Kashgar.

"The Chinese don't want us to have kids, but we just pay fines or bribe people," says Abdul Razzak, who has five children - three more than allowed by law. His three extra children, two sons and a daughter, have cost him around 60,000 yuan ($9,670) in fines. He said he is worried they will forget how to speak Uighur.

Other restrictions - like the ban on fasting for schoolchildren - are more difficult to get around. Chinese authorities require that school teachers, who are barred from fasting themselves, also discourage students.

"It depends on the teachers," said Mehmet, a high-school student in Kashgar. "[Some] bring water, bread, candy, put it in front of you, and you have to eat."

Meanwhile, certain styles of headscarf are still not acceptable to authorities. "The abaya was very popular here, starting four or five years ago," said Abdul Majid, a 20-something Uighur who imports women's clothes from Turkey. "But last year, police started bothering women, so now, I can't find anyone who wants to buy them."

Under Chinese law, only state-approved copies of Islamic literature like the Quran are allowed. "If they catch you with a different version, a different translation, or a book from Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, you go to jail," explained the owner of a small bookstore across the street form the Id Kah mosque, who asked not to be named.
 

Doombreed

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Aljazeera reports Uygers defying the Communist Party of China edict on Ramadan fasting. It seems not even a Leninist totalitarian state could stamp out religion.

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I was actually enjoying your post until the BS rant at the end. The Leninist reference to China should be out of bounds.
 

Blackstone

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The Communist Party of China governs the "Middle Kingdom," and is by definition a Leninist, totalitarian state. That's a fair and accurate description of the Chinese government.
 

texx1

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The Communist Party of China governs the "Middle Kingdom," and is by definition a Leninist, totalitarian state. That's a fair and accurate description of the Chinese government.

I personally prefer to describe PRC with a more neutral and less disparaging term such as single party state. Although I am sure some nationalistic Chinese would consider an imperialistic state to be an accurate and fair description of USA.

Btw PRC stopped being Leninist the day after Mao died.
 

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Hugh White has a sobering article in
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on possible outcomes of war over Diaoyu islands. White suggests Washington elites don't fully appreciate the depth of Chinese resolve on recovering Diaoyu from Japan, and the length it'll go in any such struggle. He said both sides have few good options in conducting the war, controlling escalation, preventing overspill, and ending hostilities on favorable terms. To avoid US-China conflicts in Asia, White suggests the two middle kingdoms work out a plan to share power in roughly equal portions, but he doesn't spell out how to achieve that.

You could agree or disagree with Hugh White, but his article is apropos and thought-provoking.

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It is clear that an armed clash between Japan and China over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands is a real possibility. If that happens Washington would face a very serious choice. Failing to support Japan militarily would fatally weaken the US-Japan alliance, torpedo President Obama’s ‘Pivot’, and undermine America’s whole position in Asia. But supporting Japan would mean going to war with China. Whether that would be wise depends, as much as anything, on how a US-China war over the Senkakus would play out.
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What does this mean for America’s position in Asia? It does not mean that America has no choice but to withdraw from Asia. But it does mean America needs to reconsider the assumptions on which US policy in Asia, including the Pivot, has so far been based. Washington assumes that America’s basic strategic aim in Asia must be to preserve US primacy and the system of alliances on which it is based. If the analysis presented here is right, America cannot do that in the light of China’s challenge to the US-led regional order, because it is not ultimately as willing to risk an escalating conflict to preserve it as China is to overturn it. The best way to define what role America could sustain in Asia in future is to ask what role America would be willing to risk a nuclear war with China to protect. For example, America might not be willing to risk nuclear war to preserve its own primacy in Asia, but it might be willing to do so to prevent China establishing primacy. But that is a discussion for another time.
 

solarz

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China is not interested in the Diaoyu Islands for the islands themselves, but for the resources in the EEZ. That objective can be achieved by having a strong enough law-enforcement (civilian) presence in the vicinity of the islands so that resource exploration can take place.

The military does not need to be involved unless Japan starts shooting.

It's also worth noting that this kind of war hype has an uncoincidental resemblance to the war hype that existed in the 90s, only then, it was between PRC and Taiwan. I think institutional memory is at work here, as the PRC/Taiwan war scenario was a "favorite" of the USN for 50 years.
 
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The Communist Party of China governs the "Middle Kingdom," and is by definition a Leninist, totalitarian state. That's a fair and accurate description of the Chinese government.

Come on, you can't complain about someone making a "thousand year reich" reference to the US in passing and then proceed to make a claim as bold as saying that China is by "definition," a leninist, totalitarian state.

At least do us the favour of defining what standards you think a leninist and totalitarian state should meet.
 

advill

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Absolutely correct solarz. China is interested in the resources under the sea not only in East Asia (areas around Senkaku/Diayou Islands), but also in the South China Sea (Paracel and Spratly Islands etc.) NO major problems are envisaged for China in the South China Sea because of its strong PLA-N that can control the area much easier. However, in the East China Sea/Sea of Japan where the disputed islands are, we know that Japan (with its relatively strong Armed Forces) will never tolerate Chinese intrusions into Japanese claimed territorial waters around Senkaku Islands. Let's hope there will be NO "blow-up" as there will be no winners but losers, and the crisis will drag on. This is real let's not fool ourselves.


醉翁之意不在酒

China is not interested in the Diaoyu Islands for the islands themselves, but for the resources in the EEZ. That objective can be achieved by having a strong enough law-enforcement (civilian) presence in the vicinity of the islands so that resource exploration can take place.

The military does not need to be involved unless Japan starts shooting.

It's also worth noting that this kind of war hype has an uncoincidental resemblance to the war hype that existed in the 90s, only then, it was between PRC and Taiwan. I think institutional memory is at work here, as the PRC/Taiwan war scenario was a "favorite" of the USN for 50 years.
 
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Blitzo

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醉翁之意不在酒

China is not interested in the Diaoyu Islands for the islands themselves, but for the resources in the EEZ. That objective can be achieved by having a strong enough law-enforcement (civilian) presence in the vicinity of the islands so that resource exploration can take place.

The military does not need to be involved unless Japan starts shooting.

It's also worth noting that this kind of war hype has an uncoincidental resemblance to the war hype that existed in the 90s, only then, it was between PRC and Taiwan. I think institutional memory is at work here, as the PRC/Taiwan war scenario was a "favorite" of the USN for 50 years.

I think the PRC's claim to the Diaoyu islands are just as much about principle (and China's history with Japan, as well as the manner in which the islands resurfaced as an issue in recent years) as it is only about the resources around the islands.
 
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