Chinese Geopolitics

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port_08

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The NDB (New Development Bank) been setup, HQ will be Shanghai. Here's a new institution that serves as counterbalance, no longer in financial crisis a state need to turn to the IMF, but they can try NDB to obtain financial support and help.

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Although the admission of new shareholders in the bank's capital is open, the BRICS will always retain a controlling stake of no less than 55 percent. All major decisions at the NDB are to be made through a majority or two-thirds vote.

The CRA, which will also be built up to $100 billion, is aimed at dealing with all emergencies during the time of a financial crisis.

China will be the largest donor to this reserve fund, bringing in $41 billion, followed by $18 billion each from Brazil, India and Russia and $5 billion from South Africa.
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delft

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Blackstone said:
By "democracy" I mean government with modern concepts of universal suffrage, and the examples you gave are only partial or semi democratic. Examples of functioning democracies very widely in their internal governance structures, and a partial list includes USA, Taiwan Province of China, Singapore, Republic of Korea, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Japan.
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In all these countries corruption, nowadays rarely in the shape of money in brown envelopes, takes away too much of the advantages. And there is the duty of parliament to protect the citizens from unreasonable persecution by the state. That protection is decreasing.
 
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Lezt

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Blackstone said:
By "democracy" I mean government with modern concepts of universal suffrage, and the examples you gave are only partial or semi democratic. Examples of functioning democracies very widely in their internal governance structures, and a partial list includes USA, Taiwan Province of China, Singapore, Republic of Korea, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Japan.
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Well, thats not democracy as Plato or Aristotle had defined it...

It depends really on how you want to define it...

USA can be viewed as a two party state; nor is suffrage universal - i.e. non citizen cannot vote.
Singapore can be viewed as a dynastic hierarchy; all leaders had been Lees and LKY have said that since the people voted for him, they agree with what he wants to do; i.e. pretty much the same as what Hitler said when Germany voted for him.
Japan.... can be argued as a hereditary feudal system...

but ofcourse, if you bend the definition of democracy, then PRC is also a democracy, swap "party member" and "citizen" then, viola all citizen have a right to vote.

Or the USA can be viewed as a oligarchy, China is more like a technocracy and so on.
 
Blackstone

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Lezt said:
Well, thats not democracy as Plato or Aristotle had defined it...

It depends really on how you want to define it...

USA can be viewed as a two party state; nor is suffrage universal - i.e. non citizen cannot vote.
Singapore can be viewed as a dynastic hierarchy; all leaders had been Lees and LKY have said that since the people voted for him, they agree with what he wants to do; i.e. pretty much the same as what Hitler said when Germany voted for him.
Japan.... can be argued as a hereditary feudal system...

but ofcourse, if you bend the definition of democracy, then PRC is also a democracy, swap "party member" and "citizen" then, viola all citizen have a right to vote.

Or the USA can be viewed as a oligarchy, China is more like a technocracy and so on.
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1) Here's the universal suffrage definition from
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: Full Definition of UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE

: suffrage of all adults not legally disqualified by the laws of a country:
a : manhood suffrage
b : manhood suffrage together with woman suffrage

2) US, Singapore, and Japan all have universal suffrage under the above definition

3) It's common knowledge there's quite a bit of democracy within the Communist Party of China, but not much outside the party, and therein lies the rub

4) Your Hitler analogy points to the fact democracy has produced terrible results, and Winston Churchill wisely said democracy is the worse form of government, except for all others, therefore eternal vigilance is the price The People must pay to check the power of governments
 
Blackstone

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port_08 said:
The NDB (New Development Bank) been setup, HQ will be Shanghai. Here's a new institution that serves as counterbalance, no longer in financial crisis a state need to turn to the IMF, but they can try NDB to obtain financial support and help.

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Although the admission of new shareholders in the bank's capital is open, the BRICS will always retain a controlling stake of no less than 55 percent. All major decisions at the NDB are to be made through a majority or two-thirds vote.

The CRA, which will also be built up to $100 billion, is aimed at dealing with all emergencies during the time of a financial crisis.

China will be the largest donor to this reserve fund, bringing in $41 billion, followed by $18 billion each from Brazil, India and Russia and $5 billion from South Africa.
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This is good news for the world. I say that because competition makes better the free marketplace of goods, services, and ideas, so the world should welcome the BRICS bank.
 
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Blackstone said:
By "democracy" I mean government with modern concepts of universal suffrage, and the examples you gave are only partial or semi democratic. Examples of functioning democracies very widely in their internal governance structures, and a partial list includes USA, Taiwan Province of China, Singapore, Republic of Korea, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Japan.
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None of those nations have been "democratic", in the modern sense of the word, for more than 60 years, so you can't really say democracy has withstood the test of time.

The truth of the matter is, democracy is not a silver bullet that would automatically make people's lives better. For example, look at Nigeria, Philippines, Thailand. Hell, even Palestine is a democracy.
 
solarz

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Julie1925 said:
it refers to Geopolitical theory, well, I think if Chinese have Geopolitical theory, it is totally different from the US, Britain, and Japan.China is a mainland country, not like these island(North America is a big island surrounded by Pacific Ocean and Atlantic Ocean). So Chinese view geography from a very different perspective: it is surrounded by different countries, in other words, different threats, during its 4000-year-history, it has been invaded and conquered by outsiders for hundreds of times. And every time, these invades causes terrible hurts.

Therefore, geopolitical security is the core of China's foreign policy, and I think that why in some cases, China act "aggressive".

China's terrain is also very strange, the Western China is very high, and the Eastern China is relatively low, the North is high and the South is low, so in history, most of invaders came from the Northwest part, for the central governments, the mountain and highlands in west is natural barrier to the invaders(and they built the Great Wall to protect the poor agriculture residents from nomadic tribes).That's why China is always alert to its western province,include Xinjiang and Tibet, as well as the big neighbours like Russia,India and Turkey.

The south China sea is another core interest for China, Taiwan, is the most important. for China, it is a door open to the Pacific, but now it is the crucial part of the first island chain. Taiwan will unquestionable return to China, but I think the probability of war is getting smaller and smaller. The Chinese government has too many peaceful methods to reunify Taiwan, it is foolish to use expensive missiles and ships.

China claims that the South China Sea is the "inherent territory", but I think this dose not means that neighbouring countries can not fishing or shipping in this water. The Chinese government hope to keep the sovereignty, in that the south China sea is economic lifeline and energy pathway.
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History is always colored by the perception of the people studying it. In this case, the historical narrative of China is colored by the Japanese invasion. In truth, in 2200 years of feudal history, China has suffered far more from internal turmoil than from foreign invasion: the Three Kingdoms, the An Lushan rebellion, the Taiping rebellion, to name a few of the most famous periods of turmoil.

As for Chinese geography, that only applied when "China" was restricted to territory within the Great Walls. Modern China no longer has the same kind of security concerns as feudal China. The Qing dynasty faced no existential threat from the North and West, only fighting some skirmishes with Russians, and putting down several rebellions among Mongols and Tibetans. The Opium War showed us that the greatest threat modern China can face will come from the sea.

Japan, Oh, for Chinese people it is historical hates, but in geopolitics, Japan is not so important, in history Japan invaded China twice, in the first time it is defeated by China and Korea, in the second time(the WWII), it brought about maximum pain and terrible memory. I think it is very hard for American people to imagine the suffering. The war is a genocide.The Chinese government do no think Japan is a big threat, but a disgusting threat.

Well, I'm not native speaker so please excuse my poor English. If you can point out the grammar mistake, I will be very grateful.
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Yes, totally agreed. In the grand scheme of things, Japan is just a hurdle for China to overcome, much like Taiwan was in the 90's. However, unlike Taiwan, Japan evokes gut feelings of loathing among the Chinese people. Those feelings are magnifying the actual threat Japan poses to China. In reality, the true adversary of China is the US, and Japan is only a pawn in the Great Game.
 
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Lezt

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Blackstone said:
1) Here's the universal suffrage definition from
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: Full Definition of UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE

: suffrage of all adults not legally disqualified by the laws of a country:
a : manhood suffrage
b : manhood suffrage together with woman suffrage

2) US, Singapore, and Japan all have universal suffrage under the above definition

3) It's common knowledge there's quite a bit of democracy within the Communist Party of China, but not much outside the party, and therein lies the rub

4) Your Hitler analogy points to the fact democracy has produced terrible results, and Winston Churchill wisely said democracy is the worse form of government, except for all others, therefore eternal vigilance is the price The People must pay to check the power of governments
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Actually, you are missing the point on Universal Suffrage, your dictionary quote serves my statement well:

suffrage of all adults not legally disqualified by the laws of a country
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So non citizen are not adults? when was the last time that non-citizens voted in the USA or Singapore in the context of suffrage?

i.e. no country have universal suffrage by the definition you have quoted; including the USA and Singapore.
 
Blackstone

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solarz said:
Yes, totally agreed. In the grand scheme of things, Japan is just a hurdle for China to overcome, much like Taiwan was in the 90's. However, unlike Taiwan, Japan evokes gut feelings of loathing among the Chinese people. Those feelings are magnifying the actual threat Japan poses to China. In reality, the true adversary of China is the US, and Japan is only a pawn in the Great Game.
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Nope, China's true enemy is Japan and not the US. I say that because at the end of the day, the US could always pack up and leave (not that we would), but Japan will always be close at hand, looking for opportunities to cause trouble. Make no mistake about it, the Third Sino-Japanese war of 1895-? never ended, and is picking up steam again. Even if China wins a decisive victory and finally ends the 3rd Sino-Japanese war in her favor, there's no guarantee Japan wouldn't start a fourth one sometime in the distant future.

China and America are learning to live with each other, and friction is natural until some kind of compromise is had. I have no doubt it'll happen, and I hope it's soon. Conversely, history has shown Japan can't live in peace with its neighbors without a hegemon standing over it, and the central question is if the US should be that hegemon or China, or both.
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

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Lezt said:
Actually, you are missing the point on Universal Suffrage, your dictionary quote serves my statement well:

Websters Dictionary: Full Definition of UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE

: suffrage of all adults not legally disqualified by the laws of a country:
a : manhood suffrage
b : manhood suffrage together with woman suffrage
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So non citizen are not adults? when was the last time that non-citizens voted in the USA or Singapore in the context of suffrage?

i.e. no country have universal suffrage by the definition you have quoted; including the USA and Singapore.
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You missed one of the most important point of Webster's definition: not legally disqualified. In the US, it means non-citizens of all flavor can't legally vote. Most reasonable people would agree the US has universal suffrage, and if China comes anywhere close, I'll say she has it too.
 
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