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China has some really f-ed up courts. You can get jailed for self-defense, and you can get sued for helping someone out.

Of course, the counter-point is that there's always more than one side to a story, and tales circulated on the internet often only present one viewpoint.

What the Chinese society needs is more education on legal matters. Court verdicts in high-profile cases need to be publicized so people can see the facts for themselves.

You are exactly right, although I fear it's not just these. It's these types of culture which reinforces the wrongs and the unjust. When you do the right thing, you not only won't prevail, but actually get punished. In such a community, everyone will resort to selfishness, self-preservation of fending for self interests only. I also feel not only the Chinese society needs more education of legal matters, but also to change the culture of not speaking out. I hate to get political or tie politics into this (as it's not my original intention), but I honestly do wonder if the culture of censorship and silencing voices, along with culture of corruption, has an impact on each person's social responsibility. Also, I wonder how much of maintaining adhesion of collective harmony has an impact as well. Again I am genuinely not attempting to tie into politics on this , but rather I am more genuinely concerned and curious about this culture/phenomenon and how it can be changed. (as much as I'm enraged by it

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

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I asked my brother for his thought and he said one of the cultures prevalent there is through the uses of money, power, and bullying tactics to get what they want, therefore they will resort and inflict the same on others in other circumstances. I think he's referring to of course interpersonal politics and corruption and bureaucracy in the political realm of China.

This in a way ties back to the rule of law, which of course guarantees the reassurance of if you stand for the right, you will prevail. Anyway it's good to see Xi spearheading the movement so successfully: over 77,000 arrests have been made. I hope this keeps up and ultimately truly change the tide of this form of culture that we can say can't be ignored.



Other notes: In my definition of culture, it isn't to generalize or label Chinese culture as a whole. Rather, culture is the word to define a specific focus of thought, traditions, ideology, behaviours. It's a humanity arts term to define specific behaviours stemming from a certain value, so for example "culture" can be "culture of activism", "culture of rationalism", "culture of deductive thinking", etc.
 
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Abe claims he wants to "improve relations" with China, ROK, and Russia. While I'm not sure about Russia and ROK, tensions with China could be instantly and drastically reduced if Japan admits there's a dispute over Diaoyu islands. Otherwise, forget about a summit with Xi at the APEC.

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(Reuters) - Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he wants to improve relations with China, South Korea and Russia, while acknowledging difficulties facing ties with his country's Asia-Pacific neighbors.

"Quiet efforts are needed" if Abe is to achieve his goal of meeting Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of a November Pacific Rim meeting in Beijing, Abe told a news conference in New York on Thursday evening.

The news conference was broadcast live in Tokyo.

Abe, who came to office in December 2012, visited all the leaders of Southeast Asia in his first year, but he has not been able to meet bilaterally with the leaders of China or South Korea, countries angered by territorial disputes with Japan and Abe's approach to Japan's wartime past.

He has met Russia's President Vladimir Putin five times, but ties have recently been strained as Moscow annexed Ukraine's Crimea region and pro-Russian rebels fought Ukrainian forces in eastern Ukraine.
 

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You are exactly right, although I fear it's not just these. It's these types of culture which reinforces the wrongs and the unjust. When you do the right thing, you not only won't prevail, but actually get punished. In such a community, everyone will resort to selfishness, self-preservation of fending for self interests only. I also feel not only the Chinese society needs more education of legal matters, but also to change the culture of not speaking out. I hate to get political or tie politics into this (as it's not my original intention), but I honestly do wonder if the culture of censorship and silencing voices, along with culture of corruption, has an impact on each person's social responsibility. Also, I wonder how much of maintaining adhesion of collective harmony has an impact as well. Again I am genuinely not attempting to tie into politics on this , but rather I am more genuinely concerned and curious about this culture/phenomenon and how it can be changed. (as much as I'm enraged by it

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

____________________________________________________

I asked my brother for his thought and he said one of the cultures prevalent there is through the uses of money, power, and bullying tactics to get what they want, therefore they will resort and inflict the same on others in other circumstances. I think he's referring to of course interpersonal politics and corruption and bureaucracy in the political realm of China.

This in a way ties back to the rule of law, which of course guarantees the reassurance of if you stand for the right, you will prevail. Anyway it's good to see Xi spearheading the movement so successfully: over 77,000 arrests have been made. I hope this keeps up and ultimately truly change the tide of this form of culture that we can say can't be ignored.



Other notes: In my definition of culture, it isn't to generalize or label Chinese culture as a whole. Rather, culture is the word to define a specific focus of thought, traditions, ideology, behaviours. It's a humanity arts term to define specific behaviours stemming from a certain value, so for example "culture" can be "culture of activism", "culture of rationalism", "culture of deductive thinking", etc.

This reminds me of stories from the Water Margin. This unfortunately happens because of the immense wealth gap between people in Chinese society. You can be certain that for the slain family, this wasn't the first time they've bullied and even assaulted a poor person. Unfortunately for them, it was certainly the last time.
 

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US Navy confirms PLAN spy ship off Guam. Does that show China believes it's OK to spy in other nations' EEZ, and the argument with America is over frequency of incidents and not validity?

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A People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Type 815 (Dongdiao)-class auxiliary general intelligence (AGI) vessel was detected in waters off Guam where a US military exercise was ongoing, a US Navy (USN) spokesperson confirmed to IHS Jane's on 22 September.

"I can confirm the presence of a Chinese AGI surveillance ship in the US Economic Exclusion Zone [EEZ] near Guam," Commander Steven Curry, a spokesman for US Pacific Fleet, told IHS Jane's . "The ship is not disrupting our 'Valiant Shield' exercise and is adhering to well-established international rules that military operations in international commons and outside of territorial waters and airspace is a fundamental right of all nations."

The vessel was detected as a number of US military assets participated in 'Valiant Shield', a biennial exercise that began on 15 September involving 18,000 US military personnel and more than 200 aircraft and 19 surface ships. These include two aircraft carriers, USS George Washington (CVN 73) and USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70).

While the ship was not operating inside the 12 n mile border that denotes US territorial seas, the AGI was sailing within the US EEZ, which extends 200 n miles from a nation's coast according to international maritime law.

Officials could not confirm that the AGI observed off Guam is the same vessel that was detected in international waters around Hawaii in July 2014 during the 'Rim of the Pacific 2014' ('RIMPAC 2014') naval exercise. That AGI's presence caught exercise planners by surprise as the PLAN was an invited participant in the multinational biennial drill - billed as the world's largest maritime training event.

Exercise officials told IHS Jane's that the AGI was monitored daily and confirmed that it was observed to be operating near the 'RIMPAC' flagship, the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76).

According to IHS Jane's Fighting Ships , the PLAN has a fleet of three AGIs, with the third vessel launched on 29 March. Each vessel is equipped with up to three radomes that have been described as "high-technology radio signal gathering and processing equipment" in literature provided by builders of the third AGI vessel, Hudong Zhonghua Shipbuilding Group. Little else is known on the capability of these sensors.

The 6,000-tonne vessels can attain a top speed of 20 kt and are armed with one manually operated 37 mm and two dual 14.5 mm cannons each.

During the 2012 iteration of 'RIMPAC', the PLAN also dispatched a similar surveillance vessel to the area.

China and the United States have differing interpretations of military operations in EEZs - a difference that was recently highlighted by a PLA Air Force Su-27's interception of a US Navy Boeing P-8 maritime patrol aircraft in the South China Sea. While there is nothing illegal in PLAN's latest dispatch of a spy ship to Guam, the move may undermine recent progress in naval bilateral relations between the two countries.

Such a manoeuvre would not have been surprising in the past, but the PLAN's latest dispatch of an AGI to spy on activities at 'Valiant Shield 2014' runs contrary to recent overtones by the Chinese that it is moving towards greater transparency with rival armed forces such as the USN by granting ship visits and facilitating personnel exchanges at Hawaii during 'RIMPAC 2014'.
 

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US Navy confirms PLAN spy ship off Guam. Does that show China believes it's OK to spy in other nations' EEZ, and the argument with America is over frequency of incidents and not validity?

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It was never about EEZ to begin with, it is about how strong your military is and how close they are to another country's major population centres and mainland .
 

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[video=youtube;ulvG687EAIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulvG687EAIU[/video]

Some f-ed up sh!t.
This girl was being raped but she refused to comply, which led to the death of the rapist 'cause his genitalia broke or something(talk about being such a loser you can't even have sex properly without killing yourself. oh and thank god he died. one less orc on this planet)

The Shenyang court then ruled the girl guilty of manslaughter for not complying with the ordeal which led to the rapist's death. She's been sentenced to 3 years of prison and her family to pay $88,000RMB( I suppose) in compensation to the rapist's family.

And her response was, "Do I need to spread my legs for you?"

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Seeing this seriously pisses me off. I hope Xi's anti-corruption campaign quickly land on these orcs too. You guys can try looking for the article online.

Without knowing the details of this case, it is hard to comment on it. But generally, it would depend on whether the homicide happened during or after the rape, was the rapist armed or unarmed. Say if the rapist finished raping the unfortunate girl and passed out, then she got a knife and cut his penis off causing his death, that's not justified self defense in almost every country. Doesn't the video say she is sentenced to 3 years but commuted? sad case.
 
Without knowing the details of this case, it is hard to comment on it. But generally, it would depend on whether the homicide happened during or after the rape, was the rapist armed or unarmed. Say if the rapist finished raping the unfortunate girl and passed out, then she got a knife and cut his penis off causing his death, that's not justified self defense in almost every country. Doesn't the video say she is sentenced to 3 years but commuted? sad case.

No he busted his own junk while performing the act. The court ruled her guilty because she "did not comply, which led to the death of the rapist", so I suppose she was struggling and twisting and turning and maybe his useless piece of meat suffered trauma or interior damage or tear and led to blood loss or something along those lines.
 
This reminds me of stories from the Water Margin. This unfortunately happens because of the immense wealth gap between people in Chinese society. You can be certain that for the slain family, this wasn't the first time they've bullied and even assaulted a poor person. Unfortunately for them, it was certainly the last time.

Yea some comments were saying it's almost like from the Water Margin. Actually I'd say it's fortunate this is their last time.
 
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