Chinese Engine Development

ACuriousPLAFan

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(Please note that the following discussion assumes that the WS-35 is a high bypass, 35-ton thrust engine.)

Do note that the An-225 with an MTOW of 640 tons was equipped with 6x D-18Ts with individual thrust of 23 tons, meaning a combined thrust of 138 tons. Theoretically speaking, having an An-225-sized airlifter with 4x WS-35s of 35-ton thrust each provides 140 tons of combined thrust, which is largely similar to the original configuration of 6x WS-35s on the An-225.

However, it should be noted that the An-225 was never designed for short-field operations (the lack of rear cargo bay door is one such indication). Therefore, it is very likely that whatever airlifter designs that are to be equipped with 4x WS-35s would have lower MTOWs than the An-125 category, likely in the low-to-mid-500 tons of range if not high-400 tons in order to be capable of austere runway operations.

(For reference, the An-124 with 4x D-18Ts has MTOW of 402 tons.)

In the meantime, apart from An-225, the only aircraft which I could think of that would be a user of WS-35 would be the militarized version of the C929. However, why didn't China follow the same route and develop the militarized version of the C919 in the first place, when the WS-20 (which is roughly in the same ballpark of 130-140 kN thrust as the CJ1000A) is approaching full readiness in the past few years?

Perhaps, it just isn't worth the effort...?
 
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Clark Gap

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(Please note that the following discussion assumes that the WS-35 is a high bypass, 35-ton thrust engine.)

Do note that the An-225 with an MTOW of 640 tons was equipped with 6x D-18Ts with individual thrust of 23 tons, meaning a combined thrust of 138 tons. Theoretically speaking, having an An-225-sized airlifter with 4x WS-35s of 35-ton thrust each provides 140 tons of combined thrust, which is largely similar to the original configuration of 6x WS-35s on the An-225.

However, it should be noted that the An-225 was never designed for short-field operations (the lack of rear cargo bay door is one such indication). Therefore, it is very likely that whatever airlifter designs that are to be equipped with 4x WS-35s would have lower MTOWs than the An-125 category, likely in the low-to-mid-500 tons of range if not high-400 tons in order to be capable of austere runway operations.

(For reference, the An-124 with 4x D-18Ts has MTOW of 402 tons.)

In the meantime, apart from An-225, the only aircraft which I could think of that would be a user of WS-35 would be the militarized version of the C929. However, why didn't China follow the same route and develop the militarized version of the C919 in the first place, when the WS-20 (which is roughly in the same ballpark of 130-140 kN thrust as the CJ1000A) is approaching full readiness in the past few years?

Perhaps, it just isn't worth the effort...?
In the USAF, it seems that only ASWare at the C919 level. The mainstay AEW and refueling tankers are all modified from planes at the C929 level.
 

Tomboy

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Do note that the An-225 with an MTOW of 640 tons was equipped with 6x D-18Ts with individual thrust of 23 tons, meaning a combined thrust of 138 tons. Theoretically speaking, having an An-225-sized airlifter with 4x WS-35s of 35-ton thrust each provides 140 tons of combined thrust, which is largely similar to the original configuration of 6x WS-35s on the An-225.

However, it should be noted that the An-225 was not designed for short-field operations. Therefore, it is very likely that whatever very large airlifter designs that was to be equipped with 4x WS-35s would likely have lower MTOWs, likely in the 500-ton range if not in the high-400 tons of range in order to be equipped with austere runway operation capabilities.
140tf of total thrust is very high for a high 400t class aircraft, C-5M and An-124 have TWR at MTOW in the 0.25-0.23 range. Both aircraft have excellent short field takeoff capabilities. My bets is that the new transport will have a MTOW in the high 500t range and have similar overall dimension as a A380 to ensure compatibility at major airports.

Interestingly if they are already developing a engine for this new aircraft, doesn't that mean that this new trasport is decently far down the theoretical/design phase and potentially might start prototyping in the near future?

That is all assuming WS-35 is actually a 35tf class engine and not the new VCE.
 

by78

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If I'm reading this correctly, this is a procurement announcement from AVIC Xi'an on blueprints for WS-35 prototype test engine.

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Tomboy

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If I'm reading this correctly, this is a procurement announcement from AVIC Xi'an on blueprints for WS-35 prototype test engine.

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Does Xi'an Aircraft Company also happen to make engines cause I've really only heard of AECC Shenyang and Shanghai or are they requesting the blueprints for integration on the final design of the new aircraft? But nevertheless this new engine appearing at XAC would mean a very high chance that WS-35 would be some sort of high thrust high bypass engine for a new large transport. Also since this shows that the order has been "filled" does that mean the engine is past the design phase and already near the prototype phase?

Edit:Nevermind it seems that XAEC do indeed make fighter engines, so there is still a equal chance that WS-35 might be the next gen VCE engine for J-36 and J-XDS
 
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Tomboy

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Since we see Xian mentioned, could it possibly be the engine for the H-20?
If they are still in the requesting final blueprint stage for H-20 that would mean that H-20 is years away from being built not to even mention first flight. Didn't Cute Orca or was it someone else that said depending on how fast they go we could see it take flight before Zhuhai 2026 at the latest and potentially the first prototype might already be under construction at XAC?

My money is still 70/30 on this engine being either a WS-15 successor for J-36 and J-XDS or a An-225 class transport. Although tbf I don't really see the point for a transport that large another possibility is that they might use 2 35tf class engines for a inbetween Y-20 and C-5M seems unlikely tho
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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In the USAF, it seems that only ASWare at the C919 level. The mainstay AEW and refueling tankers are all modified from planes at the C929 level.

Not really.

Apart from the P-8 ASW aircraft, there's the upcoming E-7 AEW&C aircraft and the C-40 transporter aircraft that are based on the 737.

Apart from that, the current E-3 AEW&C aircraft, the KC-135 tanker aircraft, the E-6 TACAMO aircraft and all the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft variants are based on the 707, whereas the C-32 transporter aircraft is based on the 757.

All of these aircraft types are in the narrowbody airliner category, similar to the C919.

As for the C929/C939 category of widebody airliners, there's only the KC-47 tanker aircraft that is based on the 767, alongside the VC-25 presidential transport aircraft and the E-4A AACP aircraft that are based on the 747.

As we can see - Narrowbody airliners actually are the mainstay for military-based applications here, not so much for widebody airliners.
 
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