Chinese Engine Development

ZeEa5KPul

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3D printed turbofan engine blades present in Airshow ..

Nickel based superalloy has overcome the cracking problem in the 3D printing process.

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I've been thinking about this and I find it very ambiguous. First, what's meant by "casting"? Single crystal casting? Directional solidification? Dump the molten alloy into a mold and set by the windowsill to cool?

Did they manage to 3D print a single crystal (the most generous interpretation of "no internal defects")? That's god-tier, that revolutionizes additive manufacturing. If not, its a polycrystal and it still has grain boundaries. Disordered grain boundaries since there's no directional formation. That can't be used in the hot section of a turbine.
 

sunnymaxi

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I've been thinking about this and I find it very ambiguous. First, what's meant by "casting"? Single crystal casting? Directional solidification? Dump the molten alloy into a mold and set by the windowsill to cool?

Did they manage to 3D print a single crystal (the most generous interpretation of "no internal defects")? That's god-tier, that revolutionizes additive manufacturing. If not, its a polycrystal and it still has grain boundaries. Disordered grain boundaries since there's no directional formation. That can't be used in the hot section of a turbine.
honestly, this is too much technicality even i don't understood much. but 3D printing/laser tech with additive manufacturing they have been using heavily in high tech industries

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@latenlazy gave some explanation about ''3D printed Nickel based superalloy''
If its performance is better than cast parts that means they’ve got the metal powder laser sintering performance down *really* good. Fan blades are subject to a lot of strain and have to meet high durability and fatigue requirements which means the micro-structural consistency and integrity of the material must be very good. 3D printing has traditionally been inferior on this front to other metal parts production methods.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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honestly, this is too much technicality even i don't understood much. but 3D printing/laser tech with additive manufacturing they have been using heavily in high tech industries
Then it's worth going over. Casting is, at its most abstract, is taking a liquid and freezing it into a shape using a mold. The different terms "single crystal casting", "directional solidification" and just "casting" have to do with the atomic structure of the liquid after it freezes. Liquids typically solidify into crystals - a regular lattice of atoms.

When you just cool a liquid below its freezing point, crystals begin to form at different points in the liquid (called nucleation sites). Molecules or atoms from the liquid arrange themselves on the surface of the crystal and the crystal grows outward. Since there are many such crystals, they eventually push up against each other. The surfaces where crystals meet are called grain boundaries. The resulting solid is called "polycrystalline" (many crystals).

In almost every single application, this is nothing to worry about. But turbine blades are in a uniquely challenging environment - high temperature, high pressure, and high centrifugal forces. Grain boundaries in a turbine blade are weaknesses, and eventually the blades warps or cracks or otherwise fails.

With great difficultly, you can cool a liquid so that only one crystal forms and grows. All of the atoms of the liquid attach to that growing crystal and no other forms. This is single crystal casting, and it's what China had so much difficulty with in the past.

A step between just freezing the liquid haphazardly and single crystal casting is directional solidification. This is where multiple crystals form, but they all grow in the same direction parallel to each other. The resulting solid has grain boundaries and they're still weaknesses, but they're less weak than if the crystals grew in a disordered fashion.

All of this is to say
@latenlazy gave some explanation about ''3D printed Nickel based superalloy''
He's talking about something different. What he's referring to are macroscopic defects in the solid. Typically, in 3D printing bubbles and other large defects form in the solid because the melting and cooling from the laser pulses are so rapid that they trap gas. This is what BLT managed to control in their process and the resulting structure is free from such defects.

What I'm asking is if the 3D printed solid has multiple crystals. Grain boundaries aren't macroscopic defects, they're defects at the atomic level. To print a single crystal is far, far harder than printing a polycrystal structure free from cracks or bubbles.
 

vincent

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Then it's worth going over. Casting is, at its most abstract, is taking a liquid and freezing it into a shape using a mold. The different terms "single crystal casting", "directional solidification" and just "casting" have to do with the atomic structure of the liquid after it freezes. Liquids typically solidify into crystals - a regular lattice of atoms.

When you just cool a liquid below its freezing point, crystals begin to form at different points in the liquid (called nucleation sites). Molecules or atoms from the liquid arrange themselves on the surface of the crystal and the crystal grows outward. Since there are many such crystals, they eventually push up against each other. The surfaces where crystals meet are called grain boundaries. The resulting solid is called "polycrystalline" (many crystals).

In almost every single application, this is nothing to worry about. But turbine blades are in a uniquely challenging environment - high temperature, high pressure, and high centrifugal forces. Grain boundaries in a turbine blade are weaknesses, and eventually the blades warps or cracks or otherwise fails.

With great difficultly, you can cool a liquid so that only one crystal forms and grows. All of the atoms of the liquid attach to that growing crystal and no other forms. This is single crystal casting, and it's what China had so much difficulty with in the past.

A step between just freezing the liquid haphazardly and single crystal casting is directional solidification. This is where multiple crystals form, but they all grow in the same direction parallel to each other. The resulting solid has grain boundaries and they're still weaknesses, but they're less weak than if the crystals grew in a disordered fashion.

All of this is to say

He's talking about something different. What he's referring to are macroscopic defects in the solid. Typically, in 3D printing bubbles and other large defects form in the solid because the melting and cooling from the laser pulses are so rapid that they trap gas. This is what BLT managed to control in their process and the resulting structure is free from such defects.

What I'm asking is if the 3D printed solid has multiple crystals. Grain boundaries aren't macroscopic defects, they're defects at the atomic level. To print a single crystal is far, far harder than printing a polycrystal structure free from cracks or bubbles.
The 3-D printed blades might be used in the compression section (not the hot section).
 

ZeEa5KPul

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The 3-D printed blades might be used in the compression section (not the hot section).
Could be, but a couple of things stand out. I don't think a compressor blade would be made out of a nickel superalloy (specifically inconel 738 in this case). Second, although the geometry of the part is a bit weird and the camera angle could be helped, there seem to be ports at the tail of the aerofoil which indicates cooling channels. I don't see inlet holes, but they could be on the other side of the part.
 

latenlazy

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I've been thinking about this and I find it very ambiguous. First, what's meant by "casting"? Single crystal casting? Directional solidification? Dump the molten alloy into a mold and set by the windowsill to cool?

Did they manage to 3D print a single crystal (the most generous interpretation of "no internal defects")? That's god-tier, that revolutionizes additive manufacturing. If not, it’s a polycrystal and it still has grain boundaries. Disordered grain boundaries since there's no directional formation. That can't be used in the hot section of a turbine.
Most of the stages fan blades are used for in a turbine are not the hot section.
Could be, but a couple of things stand out. I don't think a compressor blade would be made out of a nickel superalloy (specifically inconel 738 in this case). Second, although the geometry of the part is a bit weird and the camera angle could be helped, there seem to be ports at the tail of the aerofoil which indicates cooling channels. I don't see inlet holes, but they could be on the other side of the part.
As I understand it superalloys are in fact sometimes used in the compressor section. Low ductility at high heat is a desirable material property in the higher pressure stages of the compressor as well (more compression means more heat). The low pressure turbine section also doesn’t necessarily need to be single crystal, since it’s lower heat. But it could also be for the hottest section of a gas turbine that doesn’t run that hot. Either way I don’t think this is a single crystal. Don’t think you can “print” a single crystal. For me this part was mostly noteworthy for what it said about how advanced their 3D printing processes was.
 
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