Chinese Engine Development

ougoah said:

L-15 trainer project went ahead without AL-222. It's even getting export orders.

Motor Sich offered very little except a steady supply of AL-222 which was what that Chinese business wanted. Then the political stuff happened and the sale wasn't allowed by the US because they considered the Chinese side wanted tech from Motor Sich which is laughable.

It's like Porsche buying out a small supplier involved in the making of Porsche car seats. Then the US steps in to say the car seat maker represents tech that Porsche doesn't have so cannot buy it.

China developed WS-10 which is something Motor Sich and Ivchenko Progress as brilliant as they are, could not develop. This doesn't include now WS-15, WS-19, and CJ-1000, WS-20, and CJ-2000. The AL-222 is a very small lightweight turbofan which Chinese engine makers simply didn't have a bother to develop.

China's state run L-15 program (from AVIC) required a supply of small engines and since AL-222 exists the contract was awarded to Motor Sich. I suspect the Chinese business that wanted to buy Motor Sich simply wanted to control the supply of this engine to make money off the sale of the engines to the Chinese government.

Then idiots came along to warp the whole thing as if China wanted to buy Motor Sich for technology.

That's like claiming USA wanted to buy TikTok for technology. Absolutely bonkers. Again Chinese engine tech has been far ahead of Ukraine's since the 2010s at the latest.

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dengyeye said:

After Russia takes over Ukraine, China must enforce the sale of Motor Sich and strip Russia bare of all its engine designs. China should prop up a sanctioned Russia, but on the precondition that its entire technological and scientific base be absorbed into China.

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sunnymaxi said:

so you sill think China need Motor Sich tech. are you kidding ?

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dengyeye said:

Someone said earlier Motor Sich has helicopter tech China doesnt have.

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sunnymaxi said:

5000 KW heavy Turboshaft engine currently under development.

2000 KW Medium turboshaft engine already completed & production start. there are Two more heavy Turboshaft engine projects currently undergoing. & you know once you have base of Turbofan engines, you can easily derive Turboprop or Turboshaft engine from.

Motor Sich is now history. China had very bad experience with them.

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dengyeye said:

Whats the name of the 2000kw engine in production? I am not aware of it.

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sunnymaxi said:

Turboshaft & Turboprop engines exact specifications are not available. only news from Weibo or some local Chinese friends.

its WZ-10 & equipped in Harbin Z-20 Helicopter. Power of WZ-10 are 2,000 kW.

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dengyeye said:

After Russia takes over Ukraine, China must enforce the sale of Motor Sich and strip Russia bare of all its engine designs. China should prop up a sanctioned Russia, but on the precondition that its entire technological and scientific base be absorbed into China.

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dengyeye said:

Might as well enforce sale of Motor Sich anyway, since China has already sunk 1 billion dollars into it.

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antiterror13 said:

I think your "thinking/hope" is just way too much ... China needs Russia as well, so very good relationship with Russia is needed

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