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mys_721tx

mys_721tx

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taxiya said:
I don't have any idea of why "lab->flanker(J-20)" or "lab->IL76->flanker(J-20)", but from a pure Chinese language/terminology standpoint, the original text (hightlighted in yellow below) is very likely excluding any usage of IL76.
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In English and your interpretation, both flanker and IL76 are testbed because they are not the target airframe, J-20 is the target airframe. However, in Chinese, 装机 literally means "mounting on the aircraft". Now IL76 is an aircraft too, but for IL76 there is a specific term in Chinese "实验平台" literally meaning "test platform" or testbed. A Chinese speaker (the author) would not have used the word "装机" if he meant IL76. In other words, in Chinese terminology IL76 is "not" categorized as an aircraft but a test-rig in the same way as a high-altitude test stand.

Of course, nobody could be always correct in language/wording, but that is the convention. The issue IMO is a lost-in-translation "testbed has no literal equivalent word in Chinese".
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The Il-76 test rig is a flying test rig, "飞行试验台". Mounting on a test rig would be "上台", whether it is a ground test stand or a flying one.
 
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taxiya said:
In English and your interpretation, both flanker and IL76 are testbed because they are not the target airframe, J-20 is the target airframe. However, in Chinese, 装机 literally means "mounting on the aircraft". Now IL76 is an aircraft too, but for IL76 there is a specific term in Chinese "实验平台" literally meaning "test platform" or testbed. A Chinese speaker (the author) would not have used the word "装机" if he meant IL76. In other words, in Chinese terminology IL76 is "not" categorized as an aircraft but a test-rig in the same way as a high-altitude test stand.
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Well I based my thoughts on the English text so if that's not correct then who knows what will happen. But tell me this: does the original text mention j20 in any context or is the line "not j20" from the English text something that the translator added and assumed on their part?
 
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Totoro said:
Well I based my thoughts on the English text so if that's not correct then who knows what will happen. But tell me this: does the original text mention j20 in any context or is the line "not j20" from the English text something that the translator added and assumed on their part?
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The original text explicitly stated that the WS-15 is on an aircraft that is not J-20.
 
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taxiya

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Totoro said:
Well I based my thoughts on the English text so if that's not correct then who knows what will happen. But tell me this: does the original text mention j20 in any context or is the line "not j20" from the English text something that the translator added and assumed on their part?
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The translation of the original texts above
"The good news is that WS-15 has entered testing phase on an aircraft, the bad news is ...... for the time being it is not (on) J-20."

Not sure of your second question. The original texts were in Chinese by the poster, and are totally the posters own words, he/she did not add or assume anything on top of some (other) official statement.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
Said to be WS-15.

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. It says the article was released on the 15th of April (coincidence?), around the same time as the WS-19 picture. It might have been a coordinated release. The official in the "Xi windbreaker" is Cao Jianguo, the chairman of AECC, who was on an inspection tour that included a visit to a test flight centre (presumably where this was taken).
 
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