Chinese Engine Development

JsCh

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July 18, 2018 – Reston, Va. – The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Foundation announced the winners of its 2017–2018 AIAA Foundation Engine Design Competition on July 11 at the AIAA Propulsion and Energy Forum in Cincinnati, Ohio. The 2017–2018 Engine Design Competition’s goal was to design a “Next Generation Supersonic Transport.”

The winning teams are:

1st Place – Beihang University, China

  • Team Name: The Little Boys
  • Student Team members: Yingjun Wang, Mingha Guo, Yu Hu
  • Faculty Advisors: Dr. Min Chen

2nd Place – TOBB University of Economics and Technology, Turkey

  • Team Name: ETU-V TULPAR
  • Student Team members: Veli Can Üstündag, Çağdaş Cem Ergin, Baran Íper, Onur Tan
  • Faculty Advisor: Prof. Sitki Uslu

3rd Place – Warsaw University of Technology, Poland

  • Team Name: Totally Incredible Technical Solution
  • Student Team Members: Damian Maciorowski, Karol Kozdrowicz, Maciej Spychata, Karolina Pazura
  • Faculty Advisor: Dr. hab. Inz. Ryszard Chachurski
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or 703.264.7577.

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Candidate Engines for a Next Generation Supersonic Transport – Request for Proposal

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Schedule
Engine Design Competition dates

  • Letter of Intent submitted via
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    – 14 February 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Proposal submitted via
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    – 16 May 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Round 1 evaluations completed – 30 June 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Round 2 presentations at
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Background
New engine designs are solicited for the next generation supersonic transport. Entry into service is expected to be 2010 – 2025. This current solicitation is motivated by NASA’s National Research Announcement (NRA) back in 2006 (NNH06ZEA001N, Amendment 6, Task 4.7) for a supersonic transport vehicle. The NRA is calling for an aircraft that is a generation beyond the supersonic business aircraft that is currently being considered and smaller than the supersonic airliners of past NASA programs (i.e. High Speed Civil Transport). The baseline propulsion system is based on the engine modeled in NASA/CR-2010-216842. The candidate engines must demonstrate at least 5% improvement in TSFC (at specified thrust levels) and substantiate weight savings. Furthermore, both cruise emissions goal and noise constraint (represented by exit jet velocity) are imposed.

Data for a generic baseline model of the baseline power plant is supplied. Responders should use the provided typical, multi-segment, mission to address the design improvements, especially for design point and off-design engine operations. The performance and total fuel consumption of the candidate engine should be estimated for critical mission points and stated clearly in the proposal. Special attention should be paid to engine mass, dimensions and integration with the aircraft.
 

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July 18, 2018 – Reston, Va. – The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) Foundation announced the winners of its 2017–2018 AIAA Foundation Engine Design Competition on July 11 at the AIAA Propulsion and Energy Forum in Cincinnati, Ohio. The 2017–2018 Engine Design Competition’s goal was to design a “Next Generation Supersonic Transport.”

The winning teams are:

1st Place – Beihang University, China

  • Team Name: The Little Boys
  • Student Team members: Yingjun Wang, Mingha Guo, Yu Hu
  • Faculty Advisors: Dr. Min Chen

2nd Place – TOBB University of Economics and Technology, Turkey

  • Team Name: ETU-V TULPAR
  • Student Team members: Veli Can Üstündag, Çağdaş Cem Ergin, Baran Íper, Onur Tan
  • Faculty Advisor: Prof. Sitki Uslu

3rd Place – Warsaw University of Technology, Poland

  • Team Name: Totally Incredible Technical Solution
  • Student Team Members: Damian Maciorowski, Karol Kozdrowicz, Maciej Spychata, Karolina Pazura
  • Faculty Advisor: Dr. hab. Inz. Ryszard Chachurski
Please visit the Engine
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to learn more about the competition or contact Rachel Dowdy at
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or 703.264.7577.

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Candidate Engines for a Next Generation Supersonic Transport – Request for Proposal

Sponsored by:
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Schedule
Engine Design Competition dates

  • Letter of Intent submitted via
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    – 14 February 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Proposal submitted via
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    – 16 May 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Round 1 evaluations completed – 30 June 2018 (11:59 p.m. Eastern Time)
  • Round 2 presentations at
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Background
New engine designs are solicited for the next generation supersonic transport. Entry into service is expected to be 2010 – 2025. This current solicitation is motivated by NASA’s National Research Announcement (NRA) back in 2006 (NNH06ZEA001N, Amendment 6, Task 4.7) for a supersonic transport vehicle. The NRA is calling for an aircraft that is a generation beyond the supersonic business aircraft that is currently being considered and smaller than the supersonic airliners of past NASA programs (i.e. High Speed Civil Transport). The baseline propulsion system is based on the engine modeled in NASA/CR-2010-216842. The candidate engines must demonstrate at least 5% improvement in TSFC (at specified thrust levels) and substantiate weight savings. Furthermore, both cruise emissions goal and noise constraint (represented by exit jet velocity) are imposed.

Data for a generic baseline model of the baseline power plant is supplied. Responders should use the provided typical, multi-segment, mission to address the design improvements, especially for design point and off-design engine operations. The performance and total fuel consumption of the candidate engine should be estimated for critical mission points and stated clearly in the proposal. Special attention should be paid to engine mass, dimensions and integration with the aircraft.

did no US teams join or what?
 

JsCh

Junior Member
did no US teams join or what?
No idea, but I would think it strange if no US team join.

I cannot find this year winning, probably not out yet, below is last year winning. University of Kansas is first in engine design, and Beihang is second.

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2016-2017 Design Competition Winning Reports

Aircraft Design Competitions

Undergraduate Team Aircraft- Light Business Jet Family

Graduate Team Aircraft – Light Business Jet Family

Undergraduate Team Aircraft – Multi-Mission Amphibian (MMA)

Graduate Individual Aircraft – Multi-Mission Amphibian (MMA)

Engine Design Competition

Undergraduate Team Engine – Candidate Engines for a Next Generation Single-Engine Turboprop Aircraft

Space Transportation Design Competition

Undergraduate Team Space Transportation – Exploration Mission Enabled by Space Launch System

Space Design Competition

Undergraduate Team Space Design – Manned Mars Orbital Mission Design



Life Sciences Design Competition

Undergraduate and Graduate Team Phobos Base Design

 

Hyperwarp

Captain
Pupu states that the WS-10IPE has a thrust rating of 14.5 tons ...
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Going by my OCR conversations,

Domestic 'heart'? Turbofan-10B?

So the WS-10B is the WS-10IPE? o_Oo_Oo_O

Does anyone know the dry thrust of the WS-10IPE (as well as other WS-10 engines). Full thrust of 142 kN is up to the level of the 117S and the F110-GE-132 but what is the dry thrust. 117S can reach 86 kN in dry thrust.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
China can build powerful engines and in good enough numbers

Question becomes can they scale up production without losing on tolerances

That comes from industry standards of manufacturing quality control engines with blade differences next to imperfection

You can build a dozen prime world class engines

Scale up to 1200 or 12,000 and the whole thing falls apart

Many counties can build engines and then fail on scale up
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Going by my OCR conversations,

Domestic 'heart'? Turbofan-10B?

So the WS-10B is the WS-10IPE? o_Oo_Oo_O

Does anyone know the dry thrust of the WS-10IPE (as well as other WS-10 engines). Full thrust of 142 kN is up to the level of the 117S and the F110-GE-132 but what is the dry thrust. 117S can reach 86 kN in dry thrust.
No, he’s saying the WS-10B doesn’t reach 14.5 tonnes of thrust. If it’s 14.5 tonnes of thrust it must be the IPE.
 

Hyperwarp

Captain
No, he’s saying the WS-10B doesn’t reach 14.5 tonnes of thrust. If Iran 14.5 tonnes of thrust it must be the IPE.

Then that Zhuhai 2014 display which said
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for Taihan does not include the WS-10IPE? (Which would be good news). According to that display the WS-10 max out at 137 kN. So the WS-10B could at 137 kN? Man, this is confusing.:confused:
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Then that Zhuhai 2014 display which said
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for Taihan does not include the WS-10IPE? (Which would be good news). According to that display the WS-10 max out at 137 kN. So the WS-10B could at 137 kN? Man, this is confusing.:confused:
Pupu has always maintained that the WS-10B is a 132 tonne engine. My guess is that if the 14 tonne figure referred to the IPE it was just a rough reference classification, not a specific figure. Alternatively because the IPE’s development is ongoing they are still in the middle of expanding its output.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
No idea, but I would think it strange if no US team join.

I cannot find this year winning, probably not out yet, below is last year winning. University of Kansas is first in engine design, and Beihang is second.

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2016-2017 Design Competition Winning Reports

Aircraft Design Competitions



Life Sciences Design Competition

Undergraduate and Graduate Team Phobos Base Design


Way to go UH Cougars (My other alma mater)!:D
 
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