manqiangrexue
Brigadier
J-20's intake was also designed to be able to accommodate WS-15. The engine TWR wouldn't increase at all with upscaling but the TWR of the whole jet will because the thrust would increase by 15% while the weight of the entire jet would only increase by some very small percentage due to the engines making up only a small fraction of the aircraft weight.The limit isn't the kaboose. It's the intake. And the point isn't to get 15% more thrust through upscaling, but to get that 15% increase in thrust to weight ratio through upscaling, which could require a lot more than a 15% increase in size. This is all academic of course. There are a lot of limiting factors to the logic, and it wasn't my intention to make a straight extrapolation with this point.
As an aside to this debate, to me, engine TWR isn't all that important compared to thrust (assuming that the volume of the engine is limited to a practical size). For example, if you make a 1,000kg engine with 10 tonnes thrust, the TWR is 10. If you install 2 on an 18 tonne jet (no engines) then the TWR of the jet is 1. If you increased the weight of this engine to 1,200kg and the thrust to 11 tonnes, the TWR is lowered to 9.17, but installing 2 of these instead on the 18 tonne frame would result in a TWR of 1.08. Thus, to me, having a nice engine TWR is nice but improving absolute thrust is most important.
OK, I didn't know that before, but also, the strength to weight ratio would still decrease with upscaling. So... would they cancel out? Who knows?Obviously you would need material enhancements to maintain the same level of mechanical performance for a larger engine, but my point is that with a bigger engine you can get more performance with less demanding mechanical performance.
Well yeah, but it also definitely doesn't tell us that they could.Also, keep in mind that just because EADS hasn't developed a larger engine that shares the EJ200's performance parameters, that doesn't tell us that they couldn't. They have never needed to because their customers have never asked for a heavy weight fighter engine.
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