hey, the engine nozzles do look different, but are you sure this is using WS-10A. If it is J-10B as they are claiming, wouldn't it make sense to start testing with AL-31 first?
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hey, the engine nozzles do look different, but are you sure this is using WS-10A. If it is J-10B as they are claiming, wouldn't it make sense to start testing with AL-31 first?
Quickie
Colonel
"In one of his opening letter, he says that the military aircraft engine production has been the “chronic illness” in Chinese aviation industry and he urges that the solving of “Taihang” WS-10 Turbofan engine is the key step to reinforce the Quality Control Procedure in AVIC."
I presume only the above statement is from the head of ACIC, and the rest of the comments are from the poster himself.
I'm not sure these phrases are actually negative:
1. "... has been the "Chronic illness" in ...
2. "... the solving of “Taihang” WS-10 Turbofan engine is the key step to reinforce the Quality Control Procedure in AVIC."
It sounds like it's the Quality Control Procedure that needs to be reinforced.
Anyway, it's difficult to know for sure what was actually meant, with all these ambiguous wordings.
I presume only the above statement is from the head of ACIC, and the rest of the comments are from the poster himself.
I'm not sure these phrases are actually negative:
1. "... has been the "Chronic illness" in ...
2. "... the solving of “Taihang” WS-10 Turbofan engine is the key step to reinforce the Quality Control Procedure in AVIC."
It sounds like it's the Quality Control Procedure that needs to be reinforced.
Anyway, it's difficult to know for sure what was actually meant, with all these ambiguous wordings.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Wasn't there stories about the troubles of the WS-10 before? The key word is "WS-10." Which is why they're already into WS-10A and if you believe that engine chart that was posted on the internet a while ago, they've gone further working on this engine.
the spectator
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The fact that the ws-10a has not equipped the j-10's and the fact that the j-11b production has not gone off the roof, we can conclude that at the moment their are no significant breakthrough in the engine's development.
China should award the simultaneous research and development of a comparable engine to another engine research company. The idea is to promote the faster development of a comparable engine through internal competition.
Relying solely on the directions and idea of shenyang-liming through the years has failed to produce an acceptable engine for the PLAAF and the export market.
China should award the simultaneous research and development of a comparable engine to another engine research company. The idea is to promote the faster development of a comparable engine through internal competition.
Relying solely on the directions and idea of shenyang-liming through the years has failed to produce an acceptable engine for the PLAAF and the export market.
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
Well theres Shenyang Liming, Guizhou Liyang and Xian... and thats about it really. Theres not like there are a whole lot of options open for domestic engine research.
It sounds very ambiguous. This seems all very past tense, since we all know that the WS-10 did have problems in the past. Then Mashup added all sorts of his own opinion later on.
One regiment of 24 planes doesn't sound like a "trial" especially when it is the 1st Division. If you want trials, they could have put a trial regiment of the planes within the FTTC. They got a trial regiment of J-10s assigned in the FTTC.
As a note, the 30th Division now appears to have new shelters, an indication they will be getting new planes. Also there is speculation that the 24th Division will also be getting new planes as well. Its hard say if this is J-10 or J-11B.
30th Fighter Division is in Shenyang MR. I maybe assuming this is a J-11B change because of its proximity to Shenyang. It may sound like they have enough confidence to make more planes and engines for another regiment, but not enough to send it some place outside of Shenyang MR. In other words, you like to keep the planes close by if something happens. It may not be a J-10 change because the 2nd Regiment of the 1st Division, also in Shenyang MR, just got their J-10s. J-10 distribution appears to be one regiment per MR until all is done, before an MR gets a second J-10 regiment.
24th Fighter Division is in Beijing MR. Beijing MR is one of the remaining MRs that does not have an official J-10 regiment yet, other than the trial J-10 regiment in the FTTC but that may not be in full strength. So I feel this might be a J-10 change. The 24th Fighter Division has been running first gen J-8Is for all this time---yes the one with the round inlet nose like the MiG-21--- and they deserve a pat on their backs for keeping these old planes flying all these time, not getting into accidents despite the hardware, and keeping them meticulously clean and well maintained.
One regiment of 24 planes doesn't sound like a "trial" especially when it is the 1st Division. If you want trials, they could have put a trial regiment of the planes within the FTTC. They got a trial regiment of J-10s assigned in the FTTC.
As a note, the 30th Division now appears to have new shelters, an indication they will be getting new planes. Also there is speculation that the 24th Division will also be getting new planes as well. Its hard say if this is J-10 or J-11B.
30th Fighter Division is in Shenyang MR. I maybe assuming this is a J-11B change because of its proximity to Shenyang. It may sound like they have enough confidence to make more planes and engines for another regiment, but not enough to send it some place outside of Shenyang MR. In other words, you like to keep the planes close by if something happens. It may not be a J-10 change because the 2nd Regiment of the 1st Division, also in Shenyang MR, just got their J-10s. J-10 distribution appears to be one regiment per MR until all is done, before an MR gets a second J-10 regiment.
24th Fighter Division is in Beijing MR. Beijing MR is one of the remaining MRs that does not have an official J-10 regiment yet, other than the trial J-10 regiment in the FTTC but that may not be in full strength. So I feel this might be a J-10 change. The 24th Fighter Division has been running first gen J-8Is for all this time---yes the one with the round inlet nose like the MiG-21--- and they deserve a pat on their backs for keeping these old planes flying all these time, not getting into accidents despite the hardware, and keeping them meticulously clean and well maintained.
yeah, don't treat mashup as authentic reporting, they are no more authentic than any of us.
I'd trust in maya on WS-10A for J-11B, who actually is very reputable on Chinese forums. btw, it's well known that WS-10A is still experiencing a lot of minor problems in its mass production, so it's not surprising to see AVIC1 chief admit this. And also, it's important to note that WS-10A has achieve design certification, but not production certification. It's only considered to be reliable when the latter is achieved.
I'd trust in maya on WS-10A for J-11B, who actually is very reputable on Chinese forums. btw, it's well known that WS-10A is still experiencing a lot of minor problems in its mass production, so it's not surprising to see AVIC1 chief admit this. And also, it's important to note that WS-10A has achieve design certification, but not production certification. It's only considered to be reliable when the latter is achieved.
because they've already started mass production of WS-10A as stated in numerous AVIC 1 articles. I doubt those engines are just sitting there with no takers. And no, they don't have enough of those spare engines lying around. As for design vs production certification, I think one is supposed to allow for initial mass production and the other is after a while of usage, they sort out a lot of the problems so that it's mature, then they finalize on the version that has all the problems solved.