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OppositeDay

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RCEP is gonna be historic, comparable to the formation of the EU after ww2; tbh i'm glad India isn't gonna be in it, for once India's strategy of trying to eat at everyone else's table has landed them in hot water now that they've decided to flirt with america and backstab China:
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China should aim to get Bangladesh onboard RCEP and push for Bangladesh's membership in ASEAN. I see ASEAN integration as key to any effort at disintegrating India. Imagine ASEAN has free movements of goods and single custom area like EU, and Bangladesh is in ASEAN. It will make a much stronger case for Northeast India independence.
 
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hashtagpls

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China should aim to get Bangladesh onboard RCEP and push for Bangladesh's membership in ASEAN. I see ASEAN integration as key to any effort at disintegrating India. Imagine ASEAN has free movements of goods and single custom area like EU, and Bangladesh is in ASEAN. It will make a much stronger case for Northeast India independence.
I don't agree; Bangladeshis are more closer to India than they are towards say Myanmar or any of the SEAsians. A bangladeshi would be more accepted in India than even north eastern indians would be accepted simply because bangladeshis are considered to be from the same race as indians whereas north eastern indians are simply "chinkis" to the majority of indians who discriminate against them.

ASEAN with China is a more natural fit, taking from the historical relationships between China and the rest of east Asia.
Independence for the Assamese and Manipuris is best achieved with arms and training and eventually, a no fly zone coupled with Assamese and Manipuris operating J-10s to protect their homelands.
 

OppositeDay

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I don't agree; Bangladeshis are more closer to India than they are towards say Myanmar or any of the SEAsians. A bangladeshi would be more accepted in India than even north eastern indians would be accepted simply because bangladeshis are considered to be from the same race as indians whereas north eastern indians are simply "chinkis" to the majority of indians who discriminate against them.

ASEAN with China is a more natural fit, taking from the historical relationships between China and the rest of east Asia.
Independence for the Assamese and Manipuris is best achieved with arms and training and eventually, a no fly zone coupled with Assamese and Manipuris operating J-10s to protect their homelands.

I haven't thought about the ethnic dimension, but yes you're right. However, without Bangladesh onboard, China has to go through Myanmar to connect the current northeastern Indian states to a port. Which is doable but at a much longer distance, and the situation in northern Myanmar is still unstable.

The Sichuan-Tibet railway pass through Linzhi/Nyingchi, which could be turned into a trade hub between Sichuan and India's current northeastern states.
 

sndef888

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We hear about China's high speed rail network all the time, but what about freight rail?

Anyone knows how well developed the freight network is? In terms of connectivity to ports, international connections, integration with other forms of transport etc
 
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We hear about China's high speed rail network all the time, but what about freight rail?

Anyone knows how well developed the freight network is? In terms of connectivity to ports, international connections, integration with other forms of transport etc
China is building another 35000 KM of high-speed rail in the next 15 years, many of it for the 350 km/h standard, a lot of them parallel to the existing trunk routes. This can free up the older, somewhat slower HSR lines that were built in the 2010s for freight use.
 

KYli

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We hear about China's high speed rail network all the time, but what about freight rail?

Anyone knows how well developed the freight network is? In terms of connectivity to ports, international connections, integration with other forms of transport etc

China freight rail isn't competitive compare with trucks. Trucking accounted around 75% of total volume of freight and rail cargo is at 10%. China focuses now is upon high speed rail freight and heavy rail lines and further expansion to connect ports and international connections. However, priority is still transporting resources such as coal to coastal provinces and export to other countries.
 

weig2000

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We hear about China's high speed rail network all the time, but what about freight rail?

Anyone knows how well developed the freight network is? In terms of connectivity to ports, international connections, integration with other forms of transport etc
China is building another 35000 KM of high-speed rail in the next 15 years, many of it for the 350 km/h standard, a lot of them parallel to the existing trunk routes. This can free up the older, somewhat slower HSR lines that were built in the 2010s for freight use.

Before the HSR building boom of the last decade, there had been fierce debates in China about whether it was wise to invest so much in an expensive HSR network vs. more freight lines. I have to say the latter made a lot of sense at the time, since the majority of the revenue for China Railways Corp were from freights whereas passenger traffic were subsidized and fares were price-controlled. Traditionally, the highest priority for Chinese railways were to transport natural resources (particularly coals) from the North and West to the more industrialized South and East. The had been the geo-economic reality of China for much of the people's republic since its founding days. Plus, there was the concern that most of the Chinese populace could not afford the HSR fare prices, turning the huge investment into white elephant.

It's a strategic bet, in a way, on Chinese economy.

And It has paid off.

HSR has changed China, riding on the booming Chinese economy of the last decade. HSR is now the primary means of rail transportation, surpassing the more conventional slow-speed railways. It's transformed cities and integrated much more closely Chinese economy and society. While it'll take decades to recover the investments - as it should be and only feasible for a government with long-term strategic planning- some of the lines have become very profitable, for example, the Beijing-Shanghai HSR line. This particular line has gone public to raise more funding. Meanwhile, the economic landscape of China has changed significantly in the last decade. The bulk freight demands have not be as large long as expected, as China continues to build nuclear power plants on the coast, natural gas transported in pipelines and LNG are imported to the coastal provinces from overseas, and build-out of the high-voltage transmission lines nationally, etc. The small-package freight though has taken off, e.g. ecommerce. They can be handled by the existing conventional railways and even HSR when there are demand surges like the double 11 event.

China will continue to build out its HSR network, eventually turning it into a "national metro" system. It'll be something you only find in China.
 

vincent

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China freight rail isn't competitive compare with trucks. Trucking accounted around 75% of total volume of freight and rail cargo is at 10%. China focuses now is upon high speed rail freight and heavy rail lines and further expansion to connect ports and international connections. However, priority is still transporting resources such as coal to coastal provinces and export to other countries.

Chinese rail is not competitive because of the last mile problem. Unlike the US, many industrial parks in China aren’t connected to rail, according to 黄奇帆
 
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