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jli88

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If China's economy grows 4-5% a year, and RMB/CNY appreciates 3-4% a year, then China's effective economic growth rate is 7-9% a year. From Bloomberg:

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But China's economy is currently not growing at 4-5% a year in nominal terms. That's the real number not nominal number. You are trying to compute the nominal GDP at current prices in USD, so should use nominal GDP at current prices in yuan along with the currency movement.
 

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Yuan Heads for Best Year Since 2020, Defying Trade Strains​

The offshore yuan has strengthened by nearly 4% against the dollar in 2025 as the authorities have supported the currency through their daily fixings, a rally in China stocks has lured inflows, and the dollar has weakened. Analysts remain largely bullish for 2026, with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. raising its forecasts last month.
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Remember that after Trump won the 2024 election, Western think tank experts were predicting unprecedented large fall in RMB to result from the incoming Trump tariffs based on their faulty analysis of the 2018 trade war with glaring factual and logical errors (which I rebutted here last year).

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The writer is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former chief economist at the Institute of International Finance
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But, if the president-elect follows through on tariffs, bigger changes are coming. In 2018, after the US put a tariff on half of everything it imported from China at a 25 per cent rate, the renminbi fell 10 per cent versus the dollar, in what was almost a one-for-one offset. As a result, dollar-denominated import prices into the US were little changed and tariffs did little to disrupt the low-inflation equilibrium before the Covid-19 pandemic. The lesson from that episode is that markets trade tariffs like an adverse terms-of-trade shock: the currency of the country subject to tariffs falls to offset the hit to competitiveness.
If the US imposes further and perhaps much larger tariffs, the case for renminbi depreciation is urgent. This is because China has historically struggled with capital flight when depreciation expectations take hold in its populace. When this happened in 2015 and 2016, it sparked big outflows that cost China $1tn in official foreign exchange reserves.
Maybe restrictions on capital flows have been tightened since then, but the main lesson from that episode is to allow a front-loaded, large fall in the renminbi, so that households cannot front-run depreciation. The larger US tariffs are, the more important this rationale becomes. Take the case of a 60 per cent tariff on all imports from China, a number the president-elect floated during the campaign. Factoring in tariffs already in place from 2018, this could require a 50 per cent fall in the renminbi versus the dollar to keep US import prices stable. Even if China imposes retaliatory tariffs, which will reduce this number, the scale of needed renminbi depreciation is probably unprecedented.
 
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Remember that after Trump won the 2024 election, Western think tank experts were predicting unprecedented large fall in RMB to result from the incoming Trump tariffs based on their faulty analysis of the 2018 trade war with glaring factual and logical errors (which I rebutted here last year).

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The writer is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former chief economist at the Institute of International Finance
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But, if the president-elect follows through on tariffs, bigger changes are coming. In 2018, after the US put a tariff on half of everything it imported from China at a 25 per cent rate, the renminbi fell 10 per cent versus the dollar, in what was almost a one-for-one offset. As a result, dollar-denominated import prices into the US were little changed and tariffs did little to disrupt the low-inflation equilibrium before the Covid-19 pandemic. The lesson from that episode is that markets trade tariffs like an adverse terms-of-trade shock: the currency of the country subject to tariffs falls to offset the hit to competitiveness.
If the US imposes further and perhaps much larger tariffs, the case for renminbi depreciation is urgent. This is because China has historically struggled with capital flight when depreciation expectations take hold in its populace. When this happened in 2015 and 2016, it sparked big outflows that cost China $1tn in official foreign exchange reserves.
Maybe restrictions on capital flows have been tightened since then, but the main lesson from that episode is to allow a front-loaded, large fall in the renminbi, so that households cannot front-run depreciation. The larger US tariffs are, the more important this rationale becomes. Take the case of a 60 per cent tariff on all imports from China, a number the president-elect floated during the campaign. Factoring in tariffs already in place from 2018, this could require a 50 per cent fall in the renminbi versus the dollar to keep US import prices stable. Even if China imposes retaliatory tariffs, which will reduce this number, the scale of needed renminbi depreciation is probably unprecedented.
If you look at Robin Brooks' tweets on Twitter, and then at other so-called researcher affiliated with Brookings, you'll be surprised to find that these guys are shockingly unintelligent.

They'll lie through their teeth even after being refuted multiple times by a random Twitter user. This has already been pointed out in the comments section of this article: Think Tanks nowadays are just lobbyists with PhDs
 
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