Chinese Economics Thread

[siegecrossbow]

You're absolutely right, but more people are concerned about creating a mixed immigrant society like Canada, the United States, and Europe, which would lead to significant social instability.

There is zero chance of that happening.

 

[JayFalsum]

So, looking at it this way, China restricted and culled its own population, then opened its borders to foreigners. If that doesn’t sound like population replacement, I don’t know what does. Xi is clearly drinking his own Kool-Aid if he actually believes all cultures are equal.

 

[Nevermore]

It's going to depend on how they handle the K-visa. I think it's certainly not that anyone meeting the requirements is accepted, but rather that anyone failing the requirements is automatically rejected and of those who meet the requirements, they are further screened to determine whether or not they possess some skill that would heavily benefit China to have. So in other words, it's not going to allow a flooding of the Chinese skilled labor market with more of what's there but only to introduce/supplement what we're lacking. Done this way, no one has anything to complain about.

As I mentioned earlier, the prevailing concern remains that Indians might form small communities, potentially triggering social instability. Additionally, people feel deeply uneasy about potential changes to subsequent policies—meaning there's significant apprehension that this visa liberalization could signal future relaxations on family migration and permanent residency rights. You can see how this policy has begun to sow distrust in the government.

So, looking at it this way, China restricted and culled its own population, then opened its borders to foreigners. If that doesn’t sound like population replacement, I don’t know what does. Xi is clearly drinking his own Kool-Aid if he actually believes all cultures are equal.

You're absolutely right. This policy has also sparked deep reflection on the family planning policy, which is why people are so angry online right now.

 

[manqiangrexue]

So, looking at it this way, China restricted and culled its own population, then opened its borders to foreigners. If that doesn’t sound like population replacement, I don’t know what does. Xi is clearly drinking his own Kool-Aid if he actually believes all cultures are equal.

What are you talking about? When did China cull its own population?

As I mentioned earlier, the prevailing concern remains that Indians might form small communities, potentially triggering social instability. Additionally, people feel deeply uneasy about potential changes to subsequent policies—meaning there's significant apprehension that this visa liberalization could signal future relaxations on family migration and permanent residency rights. You can see how this policy has begun to sow distrust in the government.

This doesn't address any of what I said. I said that people are essentially imagining that the K-visa allows anyone who reaches the basic requirements to enter China. I think that would be a mistake, but if the K-visa is used in a way that only allows a very small hand-picked population with uniquely useful skills to enter China, then what is the concern? It's not going to allow swaths of Indian call center drones into China because that's not a skill that China lacks and needs supplemented. What are the skills that China is lacking and looking for? Are they common in India? If not, why are you worried about Indians forming problematic populations in China?

Also, K-visa is not a permanent residency; it expires in some months/years depending. That means that these people will be paid to bring thier skills to China and one our locals can learn them, the K-visa expires and they return home. They get their money and we get our skill supplements.

 

[Nevermore]

What are you talking about? When did China cull its own population?

This doesn't address any of what I said. I said that people are essentially imagining that the K-visa allows anyone who reaches the basic requirements to enter China. I think that would be a mistake, but if the K-visa is used in a way that only allows a very small hand-picked population with uniquely useful skills to enter China, then what is the concern? It's not going to allow swaths of Indian call center drones into China because that's not a skill that China lacks and needs supplemented. What are the skills that China is lacking and looking for? Are they common in India? If not, why are you worried about Indians forming populations in problematic populations in China?

Also, K-visa is not a permanent residency; it expires in 2-3 years depending. That means that these people will be paid to bring thier skills to China and one our locals can learn them, the K-visa expires and they return home. They get their money and we get our skill supplements.

According to official statements, the K visa requires applicants to have graduated from a renowned domestic or international university or research institution with a bachelor's degree or higher in a STEM field, or to have engaged in relevant professional education or research work at such institutions. Each entry under the K visa permits a maximum stay of 180 days. It offers multiple entries over a period of up to five years without requiring sponsorship from a domestic employer or inviting organization. Holders may engage in activities related to education, science and technology, culture, entrepreneurship, and business.
Note that the Chinese government has yet to announce which specific universities or research institutions qualify, a point that has caused unease among Chinese citizens.

 

[JayFalsum]

What are you talking about? When did China cull its own population?

If the millions of forced abortions resulting from the one-child policy are not considered culling, what should they be called?

 

[didklmyself]

And here the discussion is going to turn into a massive pile of horseshit regarding demographics and how certain races of people are inferior to others... How many times are you people going to have the same discussion?

 

[proelite]

Illegal overstaying leads to illegal immigration. Furthermore, if Indians establish shell companies in China, they could create small Indian communities—which are legal—but such Indian-dominated enclaves could potentially undermine social stability.
On the other hand, the public recalls the 2020 Foreign Permanent Residence Act and fears that immigration restrictions may be fully lifted in the near future.

Not worried because the government knows what they're doing or fix things if it's not working out.

According to official statements, the K visa requires applicants to have graduated from a renowned domestic or international university or research institution with a bachelor's degree or higher in a STEM field, or to have engaged in relevant professional education or research work at such institutions. Each entry under the K visa permits a maximum stay of 180 days. It offers multiple entries over a period of up to five years without requiring sponsorship from a domestic employer or inviting organization. Holders may engage in activities related to education, science and technology, culture, entrepreneurship, and business.
Note that the Chinese government has yet to announce which specific universities or research institutions qualify, a point that has caused unease among Chinese citizens.

Renowned international university automatically shuts out 99% of folks from India. Chill.

 

[JayFalsum]

And here the discussion is going to turn into a massive pile of horseshit regarding demographics and how certain races of people are inferior to others... How many times are you people going to have the same discussion?

Some cultures are shit, that’s why their countries are underdeveloped and why they are always looking to migrate.

 

[Nevermore]

And here the discussion is going to turn into a massive pile of horseshit regarding demographics and how certain races of people are inferior to others... How many times are you people going to have the same discussion?

Regardless of what others say, I firmly believe India will emerge as a formidable power by the mid-to-late part of this century. I refuse to believe Indians are any less intelligent than Chinese or Caucasians. If governed effectively, India could surpass the United States to become the world's third or even second-strongest nation. But that's another story altogether.
What I'm addressing is the current Chinese fear of illegal Indian immigrants and the deep-seated concern that the Chinese government might eventually open its doors to permanent immigration.