Chinese Economics Thread

Hendrik_2000

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West still in recession?

Let's see, US posted economic growth of 5.6% in last quarter of 2009, and 2.7% in 1st quarter of 2010. How does that qualify as a recession?

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I highlighted the increase in imports by EU as this is 1 of the factors contributing to China's growth in exports in 2010Q1, which in turn contributed to China's economic growth in the same period.

So, how do you define recession? With US and EU posting 2 consecutive quarters, how is it that they are "still mired in recession"?

Yeah you can called anemic GDP growth of 0.1 and 0.2 as proof of EU out of recession

Euro-area GDP growth for 2010Q1 was confirmed at 0.2% quarter-on-quarter (q-o-q), after 0.1% in 2009Q4, according to Eurostat's second estimate. On a year-on-year (y-o-y) comparison, GDP expanded by 0.6% following 5 quarters of contraction. The implied carry-over for 2010 GDP growth remains unchanged at 0.5%. Among the largest euro-area economies, GDP in 2010Q1 increased by 0.4% (q-o-q) in Italy, 0.3% in the Netherlands, 0.2% in Germany, while it was broadly stable in France and Spain (0.1%).

US growth is better but that is normal bounced from 2 years recession that started in 2008 . let see the number for the rest of the year
 

getready

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bad news

BEIJING - CHINA'S exports rose 43.9 per cent in June from a year earlier and imports were up 34.1 per cent, the General Administration of Customs said on Saturday.

That left China with a trade surplus of US$20 billion (S$27.6 billion), compared with a surplus of US$19.5 billion in May.

The median forecast of economists polled by Reuters was for exports to rise 38.0 per cent and imports to climb 34.0 per cent, with a projected trade surplus of US$13.8 billion.

After calendar adjustments for the number of working days, exports rose 44.7 per cent in June from a year earlier and were up 4.2 per cent from May, customs said.

On the same basis, imports last month rose 39.5 per cent from June 2010 and fell 0.9 per cent from May, it added. -- REUTERS

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Yeah you can called anemic GDP growth of 0.1 and 0.2 as proof of EU out of recession

Euro-area GDP growth for 2010Q1 was confirmed at 0.2% quarter-on-quarter (q-o-q), after 0.1% in 2009Q4, according to Eurostat's second estimate. On a year-on-year (y-o-y) comparison, GDP expanded by 0.6% following 5 quarters of contraction. The implied carry-over for 2010 GDP growth remains unchanged at 0.5%. Among the largest euro-area economies, GDP in 2010Q1 increased by 0.4% (q-o-q) in Italy, 0.3% in the Netherlands, 0.2% in Germany, while it was broadly stable in France and Spain (0.1%).

US growth is better but that is normal bounced from 2 years recession that started in 2008 . let see the number for the rest of the year

The latest IMF forecasts for GDP growth in 2010 is the US at 3.3% and the PRC at 10.5%.

If these figures (and exchange rates) remain constant as the annual averages over the next decade and beyond, it still puts China becoming the worlds largest economy by 2025.
 

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China becomes world’s 2nd largest luxury market

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"China becomes world’s 2nd largest luxury market
July 31st, 2009

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If you think China is still a developing country, this piece of news is going to surprise you. China has overtaken the US to become the world’s second largest luxury market.

In 2008, China’s super-rich bought a quarter of the world’s luxury goods.

According to the World Luxury Association, affluent Chinese lavished US$ 8.6 billion on luxury goods last year.

Ouyang Kun, China Chief Representative of the WLA, said, “If you take into account the luxury goods that Chinese tourists buy overseas, the total spending would be even larger.

Chinese people have spent 25 percent more on luxury goods every year so far.”

It’s estimated that if China continue to grow at a similar pace, the nation will surpass Japan as the world’s largest luxury goods market within five years upping its spending to a staggering bill of US$ 14 billion every year.

Source: CCTV - Photos: Getty Image / Business Week"

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"China set to become the world’s largest market for luxury goods

By Katie Bird , 08-Jul-2010

China has recently overtaken the US as the second largest market for luxury goods and growth is not expected to slow, making it a crucial target for high-end cosmetic players.

According to the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, at the end of 2009 the luxury market of the country was valued at $9.4bn, accounting for 27.5 percent of the world’s luxury goods market."
 

Martian

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China will pass $10 trillion-dollar GDP milestone in 2015

The IMF is like the weatherman. Short-term predictions are fairly accurate. However, predictions for the long-term tend to be unreliable.

Five years is a short time for economic forecasting. I've checked prior 5-year predictions by the IMF and they're usually fairly close to the actual GDP. The IMF GDP numbers for China are understated by 1/2 trillion U.S. dollars because China has revised her GDP numbers (e.g. see post #901). The IMF predicts that China's GDP in 2015 is $9.44 trillion dollars. We add in an extra 1/2 trillion dollars from the revised statistics.

Some of you will do the math and say: $9.44 trillion + $0.5 trillion = $9.94 trillion; that's not quite $10 trillion dollars. Technically true, but you forgot the interest income from China's forex reserves and remittances from overseas.

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China's GDP in 2015 will be $10 trillion dollars. :)

I guarantee it!
 

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Something on China-Pakistan relations here.

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China outflanks US in Pakistan

Monday, July 12, 2010 - By Evan Hill

Asif Ali Zardari, the president of Pakistan, has concluded his fifth visit to China since he came to power in 2008.

Amid much mutual backslapping and loud calls from the Pakistani president for more Chinese investment in his country's ravenous energy sector, Zardari and Hu Jintao, his Chinese counterpart, have stayed almost silent on the biggest of their shared concerns.

Neither side was expected to trumpet their blockbuster civilian nuclear agreement, which could knock another hole in the developing world's non-proliferation regime and lead Islamabad farther down the road away from Washington and towards Beijing.

The deal for China to design, build and finance two new nuclear reactors at an estimated cost of nearly $2bn has been out in the open for more than a year, but it is technically forbidden under international rules.

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"Five to six years from now, I think China-Pakistan relations will definitely outweigh US-Pakistan relations, especially because China is willing to invest in sectors outside the military," Rohit Honawar, a Pakistan analyst for the Mumbai-based Strategic Foresight Group, said.

Although many details have yet to emerge from last week's high-level meetings, the state-owned Associated Press of Pakistan reportedthat China's Three Gorges Dam Corporation has agreed to invest more than $100bn in hydro-electric projects in Pakistan. ...

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And something on a railway fromKashgar to Gwadar, to give China acces to the persian Gulf.

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PAKISTAN – CHINA Kashgar Gwadar railway line would give Beijing a window on the Persian Gulf
Such a railway line would allay China’s greatest fear, a naval blockade that could stop oil shipments from Africa and the Middle East. However, major political, technical and financial problems remain, including India’s opposition.

Monday, July 12, 2010 - By Asia News

... Beijing would have direct access to the Arabian Sea; currently, 80 per cent of China’s oil travels through the Indian Ocean and the Strait of Malacca, an area plagued by piracy. More importantly, in case of war, China’s enemies could easily block its oil supplies. Pakistan would especially benefit from increased traffic in the Gwadar port, which was built with Chinese capital and assistance and opened in 2008.

Now the railway, which until recently appeared to be technically impossible because of the difficult terrain, at 5,000 metres above sea level, could be built thanks to the experience and knowledge China has accumulated during the construction of the Qinghai-Tibet railway.

However, Professor Wang Mengshu, a rail expert at Beijing Jiaotong University, said that the Kashgar-Gwadar project would be "more difficult than the one in Tibet" because Chinese surveyors and mappers will not have as good an understanding of the local terrain as they did in Tibet.

This would also create uncertainties about the cost, which Wang estimates would be around 200 million yuan (US$ 30 million) per kilometre, a bill too great even for Beijing. ...
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Bubble eh! what bubble? . I guess this guy Chanos will loose his shirt now, Being BBC can help to give it "currency manipulation slant"
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China's frothy property market falters in June
Page last updated at 12:58 GMT, Monday, 12 July 2010 13:58 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version China's property boom may have peaked in June. China's frothy property market may have peaked after a government clampdown on speculators, new data has shown.

Property prices across 70 cities fell 0.1% in June compared with May - the first monthly fall since February 2009.

Meanwhile, separate trade figures released at the weekend showed exports surging, but imports lagging.

The data paints a mixed picture for the Chinese economy, which some economists and investors fear may suffer a sharp slowdown later in the year.

Turning point

In April, the Chinese government introduced a series of new regulatory restrictions on the housing market that sought to restrict speculative buying.

These included higher down-payments on house purchases, stricter lending rules for property developers, and limits on the ability of investors to buy more than one home.

Many economists, investors and policymakers - both inside and outside China - worry that Chinese real estate may be experiencing a bubble brought on by excessively low interest rates, which has fuelled speculators.

Despite the monthly fall in June, property prices across China still remained 11.4% higher than a year ago.

Financial markets are now assessing whether Beijing will successfully pull off a soft landing in housing prices, or whether the Chinese property market will now deflate in the same painful way the US market has done since 2007.

Brakes on

The property market restrictions are just one dimension of a general move by Beijing to cool the economy down, in the face of accelerating inflation.

Data released on Monday by the Chinese central bank showed a continued slowdown in bank lending - which is tightly regulated in China.

Net new lending fell to 603bn yuan ($89bn; £59bn) in June, down 5.6% from May, and down more than half compared with a year ago.

The Chinese government had encouraged an unprecedented expansion in bank lending last year in order to weather the global recession. Now it wants to stop that expansion.

Much of the lending went into infrastructure investment. But some of it also went into property speculation.

Meanwhile, Asian stock markets reacted well to the weekend's trade figures, which point to a stronger recovery in global demand.

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Exports jumped 43.9% compared with a year earlier - well ahead of market expectations of a 38% rise.

Imports however only rose 34.1%, in a sign that Chinese consumer spending continues to lag the booming economy.

Some economists argue that the relatively weak spending by Chinese households may have the same root cause as China's property boom: low interest rates.

Beijing has kept interest rates down during and after the global recession in order to stimulate growth.

But some economists argue that this penalises Chinese households, who have large savings, and subsidises Chinese industry and property speculators, who are major borrowers.

'Currency manipulator'

The release of the trade data - which shows a big increase in China's controversial trade surplus - comes at a politically convenient time for China.

China pegs its currency, the yuan, to the dollar at an exchange rate that many in the US argue gives Chinese exporters an unfair price advantage.

The latest trade data came only days after US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner published a much delayed report on China's currency policy.

Importantly, the Treasury chose not to label Beijing a "currency manipulator" - a decision that undermines efforts by the US Congress to pass punitive trade sanctions against China.

The US Treasury's decision to take the political heat off China was a response to a more flexible exchange rate policy announced by the Chinese central bank in June.

However, so far this "flexibility" has translated into a mere 0.9% rise in the value of the yuan.

Slowing reserves

One indication of China's alleged manipulation of its currency is its accumulation of US dollar reserves.

In order to keep the yuan cheap, the Chinese central bank must hoover up all the unwanted dollars accumulated by its exporters.

And according to data released on Monday, the pace of reserve accumulation has slowed significantly.

The central bank said it collected only $7.2bn of reserves in the second quarter of the year, down from $47.9bn in the first quarter and a quarterly average of $113bn last year.

This may be an indication that since the new "flexible" yuan policy began, markets have had a bigger role in deciding the exchange rate.

However, much of China's reserve accumulation does not appear in the official data, making it difficult to draw an immediate conclusion.
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Martian

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Top 3 countries with the most companies in the Global 500

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The top 3 countries are listed on the right-hand side and halfway down the page.

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"Global 500
Our annual ranking of the world's largest corporations

Top 3

Rank # of Global 500 Companies
U.S. 139
Japan 71
China 46"
 

Martian

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Taiwan makers to ship over 63 million digital cameras for 50% global share

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"Taiwan makers to ship over 63 million digital cameras for 50% global share in 2010, says MIC

Taiwan-based ODM/OEMs will ship 34.43 million digital cameras in total during the second half of 2010, resulting in a total shipment volume of 63.2 million units for the year, accounting for 50.16% of the global total of 126 million units, according to projections by the Market Intelligence & Consulting Institute (MIC) under the government-sponsored Institute for Information Industry (III).

In addition, Taiwan-based makers will ship 284 million compact camera modules (CCMs) for cameraphones in 2010, accounting for 23.09% of the total global shipments of 1.23 billion units, MIC pointed out."

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"VISION START CO. LTD.

Country/Region:
Taiwan

Business Nature:
Manufacturer

Phone:
886-7-3721305

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Macy Hsu (Sales Manager)

Product Description

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Color: 24 bit color
Image Resolution: Still: 3648*2736, 2816x2112, 2048x1536, 640x460, Video: 640*480
Lens: Auto Focus lens
Zoom: 1X~10.4X (In still Capture model). 1X, 2X, 4X, 8X (in PB mode)
Shutter Speed: 1~1/1500sec.
ISO: Auto, 64, 100, 200, 400
White Balance: Auto, Manual, Daylight, Incandescent, Fluorescent 1, fluorescent 2, Cloudy
LCD Display: 2.8" color LTPS-TFT LCD
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Standard Met: CE, FCC, Rohs"
 

Orthan

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something new?

what do you think of it? business as usual or something new is on the horizon? Is USA pacience regarding china´s mercantilism finally coming to an end?
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