Chinese Economics Thread

Hendrik_2000

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I just hope "the offensive" will stop at Red Propaganda Department work (as the vid you posted), and won't mean military offensive!!

Certainly I meant non military offensive you can call it propaganda but I would call it alternative explanation
Anyway China just concluded the new year travel rush WITH NO SINGLE ACCIDENT! Amazing 3 billion trip Via one by one

Nearly 3 bln trips recorded during Spring Festival travel rush
Xinhua Published: 2018-03-13 13:26:55
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China's 40-day Spring Festival travel rush, which concluded Monday this year, witnessed 2.97 billion passenger trips, according to official data.

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Passengers board a high-speed train at Tianjin Railway Station in north China's Tianjin, March 12, 2018. [Photo: Xinhua]

The traffic is basically the same as that of last year, according to the Ministry of Transport.

The annual travel rush around the festival, when people travel to celebrate the Chinese Lunar New Year with their families, puts the transport system to the test.

To cope with the surging traffic, China's railway, road and air network put more vehicles into service.

According to third-party surveys, 74.8 percent of the travelers were either satisfied with or saw improvement in the transport work this year, up 3.8 percentage points from last year.


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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Btw. I know it's offtopic, but do you have some good analysis about deflation and its effects to growth and especially Japan lost decade?

BEIJING, March 14 (Xinhua) -- China's economy kicked off 2018 on a strong note with better-than-expected data for the first two months.

Industrial output expanded at 7.2 percent year on year in the first two months, accelerating from 6.2 percent growth in December 2017, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said in a statement.

The growth was faster than the 6.3 percent growth during the same period last year, and was well above analyst expectations.

Retail sales of consumer goods grew 9.7 percent year on year, faster than the same period last year.

Fixed-asset investment grew 7.9 percent, up from 7.2 percent for the full year of 2017.

"The economy had a good start with accelerating industrial production, active consumption, and stable prices," said NBS spokesperson Mao Shengyong.

A breakdown of the data pointed to higher quality growth, which the country has been trying to prioritize over mere pace.

Industrial structure continued to improve, with production in high-tech industries and the equipment manufacturing sector expanding by 11.9 percent and 8.4 percent, respectively.

Output of new energy vehicles saw a surge of 178.1 percent year on year during the period, while industrial robots production jumped by 25.1 percent, NBS data showed.

While such rapid growth was partly due to a low comparable base, it indicated that emerging sector expansion is accelerating, according to Mao.

The mining sector grew by a modest 1.6 percent year on year, lagging behind the 7-percent growth achieved by the manufacturing sector.

Amid the drive to restructure and optimize industry, the country aims to reduce overcapacity in traditional sectors such as coal, iron, and steel while facilitating growth in emerging areas.

China plans to cut 30 million tonnes of ineffective steel capacity and 150 million tonnes of coal capacity in 2018, according to a government work report released earlier this month.

Wednesday's data also showed that consumers in China tend to spend more on high-quality goods, a trend that is in line with the country's overall consumption upgrade.

One of the main contributors to retail sales growth was automobile sales. While the total volume of sales only saw modest climb, the average sales price jumped, indicating that the demand for cars is more quality-oriented, according to Mao.

"China's economy has maintained a stable and sound momentum. Such momentum will lay a solid foundation for the economy to achieve its annual growth and employment target," Mao said.

China aims to see economic expansion at around 6.5 percent this year, unchanged from 2017, according to the government work report.

It also planned to keep the surveyed urban unemployment rate within 5.5 percent, the first time the country has used this indicator as a projected target.

In the first two months, the urban unemployment rate was below 5 percent, lower than the same period last year, NBS data showed.

In 2017, the economy achieved better-than-expected growth of 6.9 percent, underpinned by strong consumption, stable investment, and a comeback in exports.

Earlier data showed that China's export growth in February came in at 36.2 percent, a high reading that analysts said was a surprise given that holiday effects were expected to limit the pace of increase.

As China continues to improve the quality of goods, exports should be able to keep stable growth, Mao said.

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AssassinsMace

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The lies keep coming. The West charges that China dumps steel on the world reducing the price. The US as a defense over criticism of its tariffs on all steel imports in general charges that China exports 50% of its steel to other countries that eventually reaches the US. Here's China top customers for steel according to CNBC. Only South Korea is a major exporter of steel to the US. Hardly an affect on the US and the West as charged.

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They say China accounts for 50% of the world's steel exports. Well apparently hardly on the radar of the world's top economies. Which means the majority of China's steel exports are fractions spread across the developing world. China is producing steel in demand in the developing world. What the West calls dumping is just anger that they're not making money at the price they want from the developing world. Like refrigerators use to be luxury items that the West only possessed until China came along and made it affordable, China provides the steel at an affordable cost that the developed world needs.

No who's the one trying to rob the developing world? Yes, the West wants to counter China's world development plans because they want their companies to make money selling the raw materials to build infrastructure at 1st world prices.
 

supercat

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China’s Economy Is Not Normal. It Doesn’t Have to Be.

WASHINGTON — China’s extraordinary growth over the past few decades has spawned two major lines of analysis.
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holds that China is a rising economic power poised to conquer the world.
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that China’s economy has become so distorted that it is bound to collapse or, at least, as a former United States Treasury secretary suggested, “
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.”

Both views are mistaken.

For one thing, China has never been a normal economy. It experienced an average of nearly 10 percent growth rates for almost four decades, a record; it is the first developing nation to become a great power. So why couldn’t it keep defying expectations?

What some take to be the Chinese economy’s weaknesses have, in fact, been strengths. Unbalanced growth isn’t evidence of a looming risk so much as a sign of successful industrialization. Surging debt levels are a marker of financial deepening rather than profligate spending. Corruption has spurred, not stalled, growth.

At least so far. The central question isn’t whether China might continue to confound norms so much as what, precisely, is required for it to do so. And that, as ever, hinges on whether the Chinese government can strike the right balance between state intervention and market forces.

Centralized authoritarian power has its benefits, including the ability for those who have it, at least in theory, to correct course rapidly. This has allowed China’s leaders to put the economy on a more sustainable growth path in recent years. The
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rebounded last year.
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are back up as well.
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. The recent abolition of term limits for the president and vice-president’s terms gives President Xi Jinping more time and leeway to promote his vision of a more prosperous, modern and powerful China, and with the help of trusted advisers: His former corruption czar, Wang Qishan, is expected to be named vice-president and Liu He vice-premier in charge of the economy.

Skeptics about China’s future usually point to the country’s swelling debt. China’s overall debt-to-G.D.P. ratio exceeds 250 percent — but that is a fairly average level: higher than that of most emerging-market economies; lower than that of most high-income countries. More worrisome, though, is the fact that it increased by more than 100 percentage points, or nearly doubled, over the past decade.

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has cautioned that other economies that experienced such rapidly rising debt ratios — Brazil and South Korea a few decades ago, and several European countries more recently — eventually succumbed to a financial crisis. Why would China be any different?

One reason is that not all debt is created equal.

As some of the optimists note, China’s debt is public, not private, which means that the risks are largely borne by the state, which has deeper pockets. The borrowing is
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, rather than external. And despite a surge in mortgages, Chinese
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compared to their counterparts elsewhere. For all its heady growth, China’s financial system also remains relatively simple, without the exotic securitization that nearly brought down the American economy a decade ago.

China’s debt ratio also seems more worrisome than it really is because its nature is often misunderstood.

China’s banks are no longer just serving state actors; now they also serve the private sector, notably after
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in the late 1990s and early 2000s created a broad-based commercial property market. As much as
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between 2005 and 2013 — including via
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— went into property-related assets, helping establish a market price for land. Thus, rapid credit growth largely reflects an increasing financial sophistication rather than a property bubble or wasteful investments.

Still, the official figures can appear to suggest otherwise. By my calculations, property prices in China have grown sixfold since 2004. But property transactions are not included in gross domestic product assessments — which helps explain why debt levels have surged while G.D.P. has not.

That said, high debt levels do represent some fundamental weaknesses. As I detail in my last book, the tax revenues of local governments have not kept pace with their social expenditures, prompting those authorities to
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to fund public services. China’s large debt isn’t a debt problem so much as a fiscal problem in disguise.

To be continued...
 

supercat

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...continued from above

The growing commercial role of local governments has, in turn, multiplied opportunities for graft. But this problem, too, is often misunderstood.

Corruption is said to impede growth by inhibiting investment. Not so in China, where the state controls major resources, such as land and energy, yet
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on assets than the private sector does. Privatizing those resources was a nonstarter under communism, and so corruption has served as a makeshift alternative, by allowing more private actors to use state-owned resources after striking arrangements with officials. Because those actors’ practices are more profitable, the economy has benefited overall.

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also are concerned that China’s speedy growth cannot be sustained unless consumption replaces investment as the economy’s main driver. (The Chinese government appears to
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, or claims to at least.) They point out that while investment accounts for an unusually high share of gross domestic product,
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.

But to say this is to misunderstand the nature of China’s unbalanced growth.

The main cause of that imbalance is urbanization. Over the past four decades China’s urbanization ratio has increased from
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. In the process, workers from labor-intensive rural activities have moved to more capital-intensive industrial jobs in cities. And so, yes, an ever-greater share of national income has gone into investment as a result. But corporate profits have also risen, leading to higher wages, which have spurred consumption. In fact, even as the consumption share of G.D.P. has fallen, personal consumption has grown multiples faster in China than in any other major economy.

Eventually, China’s economy will have to become more balanced, as the government well knows. But
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for that is to have the state play the “leading” role in the economy while the market plays the “decisive” role in allocating resources. Squaring that circle can be tricky.

How will China’s leaders reform
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, whose
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(especially relative to that of private firms), when they still see those companies as national champions?

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is expected to continue, still not out of people’s personal preferences but at the state’s behest, by way of residency restrictions, evictions and forced relocations. Yet China’s planners now seem intent on redirecting migrants from megacities to smaller cities, and this could curb economic growth:
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, labor productivity is much higher in larger cities than in smaller ones.

Then, there is the corruption issue, which will require another delicate balancing act. Corruption has benefited the Chinese economy by, in effect, allowing the transfer of state assets to more efficient private actors. But over time such gains are being outweighed by the social costs of bribes, wasteful expenditures and growing inequities. Allowing corruption to run rampant could undermine the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party. Yet combating it with draconian measures could
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by discouraging both officials and entrepreneurs from taking economic risks.

Hence the importance, and sensitivity, of Mr. Xi’s signature anticorruption campaign. It has been cast as an effort to discipline errant officials, but some see it as a means for Mr. Xi to purge political opponents or exert more control over society. It seems to have been popular so far: The general public perceives local officials as taking advantage of the system, and here is the central government appearing to rectify the situation. But some warn that the
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, a new agency designed to institutionalize anti-graft efforts,
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.

To discourage corruption effectively, the Chinese government will eventually have to leaven the rule of the party with more rule of law. In the meantime, some practical reforms would help, including creating a
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to define acceptable commercial practices, basic property rights and the status of private companies. More sweeping — and more politically sensitive — reforms will also be needed to ensure that private actors have more access to major resources, like land and financing, without having to rely on personal connections to local officials.

The Chinese economy’s glory days may be over, but even a 6 percent growth rate over the next decade would be remarkable. At that pace, the economy would double by 2030 and likely become
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. (It already is the world’s largest economy in terms of purchasing power parity.)

China’s remarkable success to date can be credited in part to its leaders’ willingness to set aside communism for pragmatism. Some observers worry that Mr. Xi is now reinjecting ideology into major policies, Mao-style. But he also is concentrating power and promoting action-oriented reformers like Mr. Wang and Mr. Liu — signaling his intention to address China’s social and economic needs even as he gathers the means to do so. China may not become a normal country for some time yet.

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The lies keep coming. The West charges that China dumps steel on the world reducing the price. The US as a defense over criticism of its tariffs on all steel imports in general charges that China exports 50% of its steel to other countries that eventually reaches the US. Here's China top customers for steel according to CNBC. Only South Korea is a major exporter of steel to the US. Hardly an affect on the US and the West as charged.

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They say China accounts for 50% of the world's steel exports. Well apparently hardly on the radar of the world's top economies. Which means the majority of China's steel exports are fractions spread across the developing world. China is producing steel in demand in the developing world. What the West calls dumping is just anger that they're not making money at the price they want from the developing world. Like refrigerators use to be luxury items that the West only possessed until China came along and made it affordable, China provides the steel at an affordable cost that the developed world needs.

No who's the one trying to rob the developing world? Yes, the West wants to counter China's world development plans because they want their companies to make money selling the raw materials to build infrastructure at 1st world prices.

Most of the Chinese steel recipients are, unsurprisingly, developing countries and they probably need them for infrastructure construction. South Korea is an anomaly in the sense that it is a major ship builder and requires a lot of steel.
 

B.I.B.

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The lies keep coming. The West charges that China dumps steel on the world reducing the price. The US as a defense over criticism of its tariffs on all steel imports in general charges that China exports 50% of its steel to other countries that eventually reaches the US. Here's China top customers for steel according to CNBC. Only South Korea is a major exporter of steel to the US. Hardly an affect on the US and the West as charged.

View attachment 45756

They say China accounts for 50% of the world's steel exports. Well apparently hardly on the radar of the world's top economies. Which means the majority of China's steel exports are fractions spread across the developing world. China is producing steel in demand in the developing world. What the West calls dumping is just anger that they're not making money at the price they want from the developing world. Like refrigerators use to be luxury items that the West only possessed until China came along and made it affordable, China provides the steel at an affordable cost that the developed world needs.

No who's the one trying to rob the developing world? Yes, the West wants to counter China's world development plans because they want their companies to make money selling the raw materials to build infrastructure at 1st world prices.


Hi Mace this reminds me of a slightly off topic issue i have been meaning to ask you. There are times I hear about the Bay Bridge .
debarcle .What was the root cause of it alland was China to blame as the people who bring the topic up suggest?
 
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