Chinese Economics Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
It appears dark clouds are gathering in US-China relations after g-20 summit. If china doesnt make concessions to the US, there could be trouble...

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I disagree in that china export unenployment not to the US, but rather to other developing countries.

China says US sanctions because of currency manipulation are against WTO rules.
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That may be correct. However Pascal Lamy, head of the WTO, said that is in fact a question rather to the IMF
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what do do you think will happen?

Nothing will happened China will keep on growing. China's economy have their own momentum regardless what happened in Europe

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By Shiyin Chen

June 17 (Bloomberg) -- China’s economy is like a “runaway express train” and may sustain its pace of growth amid the nation’s tightening measures and Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis, Aberdeen Asset Management Plc said.

The Conference Board said June 15 a leading economic indicator for China gained the most in 14 months, reports last week showed a surge in exports, industrial production and retail sales that signaled strength in the world’s fastest-growing major economy. The Shanghai Composite Index rose 0.4 percent as of 9:42 a.m. after a three-day holiday.

The MSCI World Index rose 2.6 percent this week, trimming its losses this year to 5.1 percent, as the Chinese leading indicator and gauges tracking New York manufacturing and U.S. consumer confidence helped overshadow a downgrade in Greece’s debt rating by Moody’s Investors Service to junk status. The Shanghai Composite has fallen 21 percent this year, Asia’s worst performer.

“The Chinese economy is a little bit like a runaway express train,” Peter Elston, a Singapore-based strategist at Aberdeen Asset, said in an interview yesterday. “Even if the West does go through some sort of relapse, I do see China being able to maintain some sort of momentum simply because it has the capital domestically that’s needed to supply its economy.”

While the “weakness” in Europe and a possible slowdown in the U.S. may affect China’s exports, the nation’s economy is now less dependent on overseas shipments, according to Elston. The European crisis also suggests that there’s less reason for China’s government to continue tightening measures even amid “signs of overheating” in the nation’s economy, he said.

Best-Performing Economy

The Conference Board’s measure for the Chinese economy gained 1.7 percent to 147.1 in April, compared with a revised 1.2 percent increase in March. China is among the world’s best- performing economies, according to Bill Adams, resident economist for the New York-based research organization.

The economy is unlikely to suffer a “double dip” in its growth rate as the government maintains its moderately loose monetary policies, Ma Jiantang, head of the National Bureau of Statistics, said in an event in London yesterday. “I personally think there’s very little chance China’s economy will have a double dip,” Ma said. “Double dip means the economy will go back to the lowest growth rate last year of 6.2 percent.”

Growing Credit Risks

China’s banking regulator said this week it sees growing credit risks in the nation’s real-estate industry and warned of increasing pressure from non-performing loans. Risks associated with home mortgages are rising and a “chain effect” may reappear in real-estate development loans, the China Banking Regulatory Commission said in its annual report on June 15.

The “bubble” in China’s property market is going to burst very quickly, with prices set to fall as much as 20 percent in the next 12 to 18 months, Nomura Holdings Inc. economist Sun Mingchun said in a Bloomberg Television interview yesterday. Real-estate prices jumped 12.4 percent across 70 cities in May, adding to the 12.8 percent record surge in April.
 

lcloo

Captain
I have been back to Shenzhen for more than one month and I notice there is some changes in the economic activities, looks like factories are not doing well as expected but they are not facing major problems either.

Commercial retails is surprisingly more active and growing, the economy is moving towards domestic consumption.

Many small retail businesses are opening up, which I think is a good signs that more wealth will be gained by the current major small businesses/ lower income group, which will eventually develop to a larger middle income group which China aimed for, and the mean a larger domestic consumption.
 

Martian

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Interesting. But lets wait to see whats happens from here to the summit.

Orthan, it would help the quality of the discussion if you would cite reports from reputable mainstream sources. There is an endless supply of China-haters out there with a bottomless well of conspiracy theories.

To illustrate the ludicrous nature of the views held by the anti-China crowd, I will quote from the blog in your link:

"China’s Renminbi Announcement: A Big Headfake

The Chinese central bank made a vague announcement about its currency policy on its website today, which the officialdom, on cue, treated as a major move (to wit: “China vows increased currency flexibility” at the Financial Times, “Chinese say they intend to free up their currency,” Washington Post).)

As we describe below, this “announcement” is basically a non-statement to silence Westerners calling for a revaluation in the runup to the Toronto G-20 meeting later this month.
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So as I read this announcement, China has committed to do…..absolutely nothing. In fact, this language could just as easily be used to justify shifting its dirty float to be against the dollar (which is now comparatively strong and will continue to be so as long as the eurozone is on its austerity kick) to putting greater weight upon the euro in its basket, which would lead to a devaluation against the dollar. Note I am not saying that will happen, but the announcement does not preclude that idea if China’s trade surplus were to deteriorate."

Now, how dumb is the argument that "China has committed to do...absolutely nothing"?

Any informed person that has been reading mainstream media sources, such as Reuters, would know that China has increased the value of her currency by 21% during the past five years. China has a proven record of following through on her promise to increase the value of her currency and the latest pledge is definitely not a commitment "to do absolutely nothing."

The point that I'm trying to make is that you should stop wasting your time reading senseless blogs or posting links to them. Anyone who reads them will be wasting their time. And no, I will not perform a point-by-point refutation of the meritless blog post that you provided. I don't intend to waste any more time.

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"Obama seeks market-based yuan; Congress impatient
Paul Eckert and Chris Buckley
WASHINGTON/BEIJING
Mon Apr 5, 2010 6:47pm EDT

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* Yuan revaluation would yield limited U.S. benefits
Mon, Apr 5 2010
* Yuan rise would drive U.S. companies' China profits
Mon, Apr 5 2010

WASHINGTON/BEIJING (Reuters) - The United States on Monday reiterated its call for China's currency to be market-based, as lawmakers warned they would act if there was no movement from China on revaluing the yuan.

China's policy of intervening in currency markets to keep the yuan from rising to boost exports has drawn the ire of American politicians, who face elections in November at a time when the U.S. unemployment rate is stubbornly stuck at nearly 10 percent.
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Beijing let the yuan rise 21 percent against the U.S. dollar between July 2005 and July 2008 before effectively repegging the currency, also called the renminbi, near 6.83 to the dollar to help the economy through the 2008-2009 financial crisis.

The United States' deficit in trade with China fell to $227 billion in 2009 from a record $268 billion in 2008, largely the result of the global recession, but the Obama administration is keen to lift exports and employment.

(Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle, Doug Palmer, Matt Spetalnick in Washington and Kevin Yao Buckley in Beijing, editing by Philip Barbara)"
 
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Red Moon

Junior Member
I don't think American pressure on the Renminbi is actually aimed at forcing it upwards. Rather, it is aimed at 1) blaming China for all kinds of ills; 2) driving a wedge between China and other countries at a similar level of development (and with a similar mix of potential exports); 3) drawing attention away from the lack of progress on the reform of global financial governance (voting power in the IMF, primarily); 4) wreaking havoc on the BOC's attempts at controlling the macroeconomic environment by creating the expectation of imminent currency appreciation.

The last point is actually what makes it difficult for China to raise the value of the currency whenever they actually want to.

It is interesting how, a couple of months ago, a phone call from Hu seemed to cool everything off. Not only Obama and Geithner, but also the congressmen and the media. Now, as if on cue, it all starts again.
 

xywdx

Junior Member
The “bubble” in China’s property market is going to burst very quickly, with prices set to fall as much as 20 percent in the next 12 to 18 months, Nomura Holdings Inc. economist Sun Mingchun said in a Bloomberg Television interview yesterday.

Well at least he has stated what's obvious clearly, though his numbers might not be correct.
Everyone knows the upcoming revised property tax policy will make people want to keep fewer houses and sell unneeded ones faster, greater supply=lower price.

I personally think they are over doing it, they should allow people to own at least 3 homes unpenalized.
 

Martian

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China-Taiwan "free-trade pact"

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"Page last updated at 14:27 GMT, Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:27 UK

By Cindy Sui

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BBC News, Taipei Taiwan delegation head Kao Koong-lian (R) shakes hands with Chinese counterpart Zheng Lizhong at the talks on 24 June. The two sides have been negotiating the deal for months.

Taiwan and China have finalised details of what many believe will be the most important agreement between the two sides in 60 years.

The agreement - similar to a free-trade pact - will cut export tariffs and give more access to each other's market.
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Following a year of negotiations, the two sides hammered out the agreement on Thursday. It gives Taiwan more economic benefits than China.

More than 500 Taiwanese products - including auto parts, petrochemicals and fruit - will be able to enter the booming Chinese market with reduced tariffs immediately and no tariffs within three years.

Only about half the number of Chinese products will get similar treatment in Taiwan.

Taiwan's government said the deal will boost trade, increase economic growth and help the island's exports stay competitive.
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The agreement is scheduled to be signed in China next Tuesday."
 

Red Moon

Junior Member
If Taiwan's exports to the mainland grow quickly enough, it will not only help integrate the two economies more quickly, but will also give a boost to Ma's flagging popularity and "prove" the opposition wrong.
 

Martian

Senior Member
China to lead world scientific research by 2020 - Telegraph

"Chinese scientists are particularly strong on chemistry and materials engineering, both considered central to the country’s industrial development and economic future.

The number of peer-reviewed papers published by Chinese researchers rose 64-fold over the past 30 years.

China is now second only to the US in terms of academic papers published, and will take first place by 2020 if current trends continue.

It comes after last week’s announcement that China is poised to replace Japan as the world’s second largest economy, behind the US.

The boom in China’s scientific research was disclosed in an analysis of papers published in 10,500 academic journals across the world."

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"China to lead world scientific research by 2020

China will be producing more scientific research than any other country within a decade, according to an analysis of the nation’s “awe-inspiring” academic growth.

By Matthew Moore
Published: 11:22PM GMT 25 Jan 2010

Vast state investment in schools, universities and research programmes has driven the rapid growth, with academic discoveries rapidly tapped for commercial potential. Chinese scientists are particularly strong on chemistry and materials engineering, both considered central to the country’s industrial development and economic future.

The number of peer-reviewed papers published by Chinese researchers rose 64-fold over the past 30 years.

China is now second only to the US in terms of academic papers published, and will take first place by 2020 if current trends continue.

It comes after last week’s announcement that China is poised to replace Japan as the world’s second largest economy, behind the US.

The boom in China’s scientific research was disclosed in an analysis of papers published in 10,500 academic journals across the world.

The figures, compiled by the publisher Thomson Reuters for the Financial Times, showed that Chinese scientists had increased their output at a far faster rate than counterparts in rival “emerging” nations such as India, Russia and Brazil. Although India has long been tipped as the most likely threat to US academic supremacy, the study found it now lags well behind China.

India has almost been caught by Brazil in terms of the number of papers published, with researchers in the South American country leading the way in agriculture and biology. Russia has seen a relative decline in scientific research since 1981.

“China is out on its own, far ahead of the pack,” said James Wilsdon, of the Royal Society in London. Jonathan Adams, a research evaluation director at Thomson Reuters, called China’s growth “awe-inspiring” although he acknowledged that the value of the findings by its scientists were still “rather mixed”."

[Note: I just noticed the other thread on China's Scientific and Technological Development. I will post future science news over there.]
 
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Martian

Senior Member
Taiwan's AU Optronics wins big patent dispute against Korean LG Display

Foolish Korean electronics giant LG Display falsely accused Taiwan's AU Optronics of infringing four key patents in the manufacture of liquid crystal displays (i.e. LCDs). An U.S. court found that the opposite was true. Korean LG Display had infringed the four key patents that belonged to Taiwan's AU Optronics.

Total U.S. patents granted by the U.S.P.T.O. (i.e. U.S. Patent and Trademark Office) to Taiwan is a cumulative 94,579 patents. For South Korea, it is only 72,332 patents (See
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). South Korean giants should think twice before they make false accusations against Taiwanese companies.

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"LG [Display] LCDs May Be Banned Worldwide
6:50 PM - May 3, 2010 - By Kevin Parrish - Source : Tom's Guide US

A patent infringement case may block the sale of certain LG LCD panels.

ZoomComputerworld reports that Taiwan-based AU Optronics (AUO) is trying to halt the import and sale of LG Display LCD panels across the globe. If an injunction is successful, this could ultimately hurt consumers and their choice of LCD options, as LG currently commands over a quarter of the LCD panel market.

Over the past three and a half years, LG and AUO have been in a legal scuffle in regards to patents covering material and processes used in making LCD panels. Friday marked the end of the long, multifaceted battle, with AUO emerging as the winner based on LG's inability to prove that the rival company infringed on its LCD patents.

But in February AUO filed a counter-suit and won. Judge Joseph J. Farnan Jr. said in a 77-page verdict that AUO provided enough evidence to show that LG literally infringes on patents asserted by AUO--LG was unable to prove otherwise. Now AUO is warning consumers not to purchase "unauthorized infringing products from LG for sale or use in the U.S. without the need for further court action."

Computerworld said that LG may file further appeals or motions in its case, or it may reach a settlement with AUO that may prevent the possible ban of LG-based LCD screens. As it stands now, over the last six months, LG has shipped more LCD screens across the globe than any other LCD manufacturer. A cease in that kind of distribution could however allow lesser-known brands to step forward and fill the void."
 
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