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Jura The idiot
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In 2006-7 we discussed with guys the problems of the US housing market quite big deep, but nobody labelled us like"pushing against the uS" : )
It is not "Nazi" germany , but rather than the economical management / problems that Germany has in 1937-8, and China facing now.
At 1930 Germany has high unemployment and underutilisation, it was solved by starting a big armament program and running war time like economical management.
This solved the prroblem of excess unemplyoment, and generated 8-10% growth for a decade, but around 1937 they moped up the unemployed, the low utilisedworkforce (from gariculture and so on) and they faced stagnating perfomrance ( means they reached the maximum level of peace time military porcution) , growing wages, and workforce shortage.
At that point they had the choice to wound down the military production, and simply rebalance the economy to consumption from investment/military production, or hit the wall,and be forced to do the same.
The situation is similar in china, appart from the investment in China is not weapon making industry, but roads, buildings, infrastructure and factories to make all of these.
And the economy growth in the past decade(s) was mainly the growth of the capability to make more of the above.
Now the next step can be to wound down the excess capacities,send into bankrupcy many companies, BUT protect the workers and consumers , and pushing under the bus the goverment officials and business owners/ management.
Or just try to go forward this road, and face labour shortag.
China managed to do all of this due to the tight control of the goverment above the economy like in Germany in the 30s.
But at sam point you have to pass the control to the consumers.
I don't think that .
By the history records, and the recent events the Chinese goverment the Chinese population generaly quite peacefull, and try to avoid the war. Not like any typical European nation : )
I mean the Tsar family lying under an unnamed road in Syberia , but the least Chinese emperror was potected by Mao's goverment during the cultural revolution , and died due to cancer . Doesn't sound aggressive and blood thirsty .
Actually, based on the recent Chinese military strategy follow Sun Tzu
"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not
supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in
breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
Chinese sea islands : )
San Marino has a population of 66000 person, and it is actualy a city in Italy.That is state as well.
So, I don't think that the number of cars there has any statistical importance to the Chinese car market.
The average person can have money in the bank, but on country level each deposit has to lended out to sameone to make the interest, means one person deposit is a liability of another person.
Per definition each person has to stay allive, means that has to drink/eat, so they will consume from basic neccessities the same ammount anywhere on the earth. So on its own it is a meaningless data.
How much is the return of each yuan lent out in the january of 2018?
I mean, the ammount of loans exponentialy growing, but the GDP decreasing.
Only explanation is the real return on the new loans going to zero, or under zero now.
Jura The idiot
General
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[QUOTE="Now the next step can be to wound down the excess capacities,send into bankrupcy many companies, BUT protect the workers and consumers , and pushing under the bus the goverment officials and business owners/ management.
Or just try to go forward this road, and face labour shortag.
China managed to do all of this due to the tight control of the goverment above the economy like in Germany in the 30s.
But at sam point you have to pass the control to the consumers.[/QUOTE]
At this turning point you describe,the best CPC can do is to push economy to a step by step (not with force) collectivization again, protecting individuals, micro and medium businesses from antagonizing each other to destinction . Its also a way to educate masses in practice about socialism and how conscioussly imply it. Its not 1949 . An other step could be to cut working hours to 6 a day for example without cutting salaries as the huge automation plan is taking over and there'll be no losses at productivity factor . Less hours per day more workers with jobs! More smiles, more free time to educate yourself and have fun.
question for every one. What are the rules for land ownership in China? Can you just buy land and keep it forever , pass it to your children etc ? is something like rent or adverse possession?
what is going on for real?
Or just try to go forward this road, and face labour shortag.
China managed to do all of this due to the tight control of the goverment above the economy like in Germany in the 30s.
But at sam point you have to pass the control to the consumers.[/QUOTE]
At this turning point you describe,the best CPC can do is to push economy to a step by step (not with force) collectivization again, protecting individuals, micro and medium businesses from antagonizing each other to destinction . Its also a way to educate masses in practice about socialism and how conscioussly imply it. Its not 1949 . An other step could be to cut working hours to 6 a day for example without cutting salaries as the huge automation plan is taking over and there'll be no losses at productivity factor . Less hours per day more workers with jobs! More smiles, more free time to educate yourself and have fun.
question for every one. What are the rules for land ownership in China? Can you just buy land and keep it forever , pass it to your children etc ? is something like rent or adverse possession?
what is going on for real?
China , car manufacturing ( with truck up to and including class 8 and bus) for jan 2018 : 2.5 million , jan 2017 : 2.4 mill , 3.9% grow
Bus + class 4-8 , 2018: 180k, 2017 : 105k .
Small vehicles on they own shown +5% growth.
side note, truck+ bus including heavy duty had 1.1 million unit manufactured in 16, and 1,58 in 17 , the world manufactured 3.7 million truck , so made ( and used) in china was the 42% of trucks manufactured on earth.
rolling 12 month sum of manuf vehicles, without all truck class and bus chasis shown 3.1% growth.between 17 and 18.
between 16 and 17 the growth was 12.8%.
rolling 17 dec was 2.2%
World car output ( inc, everything) shown +8.5% change for rolling 12 month from 17 to 18 jan
In 17 jan there was three days holiday due to spring festival , and and this year the three days accounted in February .
All number rounded .
Bus + class 4-8 , 2018: 180k, 2017 : 105k .
Small vehicles on they own shown +5% growth.
side note, truck+ bus including heavy duty had 1.1 million unit manufactured in 16, and 1,58 in 17 , the world manufactured 3.7 million truck , so made ( and used) in china was the 42% of trucks manufactured on earth.
rolling 12 month sum of manuf vehicles, without all truck class and bus chasis shown 3.1% growth.between 17 and 18.
between 16 and 17 the growth was 12.8%.
rolling 17 dec was 2.2%
World car output ( inc, everything) shown +8.5% change for rolling 12 month from 17 to 18 jan
In 17 jan there was three days holiday due to spring festival , and and this year the three days accounted in February .
All number rounded .
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