Chinese Economics Thread

Equation

Lieutenant General
There's a way to test your theory. So, I leave my offer of third party adjudication on which of us is more balanced on the PRC and CCP. All you need to do is take up the challenge. It is, however, interesting you've thus far turned me down not once, not twice, but thrice. Why is that? Because you believe in your heart you have a weak case perhaps.

No because your so called challenge is weak and meaningless just like all your arguments. When someone pulls out a challenge means that they don't have raw facts to back it up.
 

Equation

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China’s growing clout in international economic affairs
As America retreats, China advances

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Mar 23rd 2017| HONG KONG
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THE IMF “systematically impoverishes foreigners”, and the World Bank’s advice has “negative value to its best clients”. These harsh words were voiced not by lefty critics of the Washington Consensus, but by two men (David Malpass and Adam Lerrick, respectively) whom Donald Trump has picked to lead his Treasury’s dealings with the rest of the world, including the international financial institutions (IFIs), such as the World Bank and IMF, and the G20 group of leading economies.

Their future boss, Steven Mnuchin, America’s treasury secretary, is not much more reassuring to the global financial establishment. At his first G20 meeting, in Baden-Baden in Germany on March 17th-18th (pictured), he vetoed a long-standing pledge to “resist all forms of protectionism”. It had often been breached. But hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue.

To veterans of international economic affairs, this combative stance is baffling. America’s government now seems to disdain a set of institutions it nurtured into life—institutions that are more commonly criticised for following America’s will too closely. “The United States is just handing the leadership over to China of the multilateral system,” Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University told Bloomberg this week.

But if there is a vacancy, is China qualified or even interested in the job? In January President Xi Jinping seemed to audition for the role in a speech praising globalisation at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. As evidence of its capabilities, China can also point to a hefty portfolio of chequebook diplomacy. The China Development Bank, one of its policy lenders, already has a bigger book of overseas assets than the World Bank. Another institution, the Export-Import Bank of China, is not far behind. In addition, the country’s central bank has extended currency-swap lines to over 30 countries, including many that America’s Federal Reserve would not touch.

What about its willingness? Most of China’s economic diplomacy to date has been bilateral, allowing it to win loyalty, reward friends and secure contracts for its companies. Over 60 countries will, for example, supposedly benefit from Mr Xi’s nostalgic vision of a revived Silk Road (the “Silk Road Economic Belt and 21st Century Maritime Silk Road”, mercifully shortened to “One Belt, One Road”, or OBOR).

As for multilateral efforts, China’s most eye-catching initiatives have worked around the existing system, not through it. It set up two multilateral lenders of its own, the New Development Bank (known as the BRICS bank, based in Shanghai, with financial contributions from Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa as well as itself), and the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), in Beijing, which just increased its membership to 70, including every G7 country except Japan and America.

So it might seem that China has little interest in filling any gaps America might leave in the old multilateral system. But that would ignore another, less heralded trend. Overshadowed by its bilateral boondoggles and multilateral innovations, China’s relationship with the incumbent IFIs has been warming. It has become more “compliant” with G20 commitments, according to the G20 Research Group at the University of Toronto (see chart). Its currency is now more fairly valued and its current-account surplus has narrowed, removing a bone of contention with the IMF.

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The IMF’s decision in 2015 to include the yuan as one of five reserve currencies in its Special Drawing Rights basket has also helped to rebut the notion that the fund is an arm of an American policy of containment. Moreover, since China’s ham-fisted devaluation earlier that year, it has often sought the IMF’s advice on managing the transition to a more flexible yuan and communicating its policy to the markets.

China is similarly happy to learn what it can from the World Bank, which has advised it on everything from managing the debt of its provinces to cleaning the air in its cities. The bank’s suggestions are not always taken. But at least China seems to value its advice non-negatively.

China’s relationship with these institutions is also becoming more generous. It is now the 11th-biggest donor to the International Development Association (IDA), the arm of the World Bank that helps the world’s poorest countries. The China Development Bank has co-financed several World Bank projects in Africa.

Last autumn, when the IMF was looking for money to help Egypt, it phoned China, which agreed to extend a currency-swap line worth 18bn yuan ($2.6bn). The call took only five minutes and China’s generosity embarrassed the G7 into stumping up some money in addition. China had been similarly helpful to the IMF bail-out of Ukraine a year earlier.

The World Bank and the IMF are imperfect vehicles for China’s economic diplomacy. The bank’s capital constraints might inhibit a big expansion in its lending and China’s voting power and financial stake in the IMF will rise only if America permits. It took Congress six years to approve the last reform and it is hard to imagine the next round, due in 2019, winning much support from Mr Trump. But by adding extra dollops of financing to favoured bank and fund programmes, China can nonetheless steer the multilateral system indirectly, by adding its weight where it sees fit.

In the long term, if China becomes the world’s leading economy, it is conceivable it will become the biggest financial contributor to the bank and the fund. At that point, according to their articles of agreement, their headquarters would have to decamp to China. All the more reason for the World Bank to help Beijing clean its air.
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Letter: U.S. innovation falling behind China
NorthJersey4:13 p.m. ET April 18, 2017
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Regarding “Why China beats U.S. innovation” (Page 9L, April 18):

As a nation, we have been so preoccupied with the foibles of the Trump administration that we have failed to see the ominous signs regarding the decline in the United States’ leadership in inventing and commercializing new products. As the Bell Laboratories have gone the way of the Dodo bird, hopefully the United States will be able to maintain its leadership in research and development in the face of the tremendous challenge presented by China.

In the blink of an eye, China, as reported by the Boston Consulting Group’s study which was released on Monday, has surpassed the United States in spending in late-stage research and development of new products. As a 9,000-year-old civilization, it should come as no surprise to Americans that today China, a hybrid capitalist/communist economy, has seized the leading role in the discovery of new products. Have we forgotten that the Chinese invented gunpowder, circa 900 A.D., and that gunpowder revolutionized warfare and after the travels of Marco Polo, Western Civilization.

In retrospect, it is obvious that we have not learned to respect the achievements and accomplishments of China and other Eastern cultures after the end of World War II and the Korean War and our Vietnam experience. It is difficult enough to admit America’s loss of leadership in the areas of auto manufacturing and in the fields of computer, as well as digital and drone technology.

This decline has resulted in a tremendous blow to the U.S. economy in terms of the loss of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs over the last 20 years.

Much of this decline also calls into question the position of the United States in the areas of ballistic technology and overall military superiority. Once China entered the Korean War in 1950 versus the United Nations’ forces, the balance of power shifted dramatically. This was due to the overwhelming number of troops that China committed to bring the fighting to a standstill, and eventually leading to 56,000 American casualties, and to a draw at the 38th parallel.


As the Chinese invention of gunpowder in 900 A.D. has had a lasting effect on human history, China’s evolving superiority in technological research and development will have a profound effect on the global economy and the position of the United States in that economy during the 21st century. Let’s hope that America can meet the challenge.

Paul G. Rizzo

Carlstadt, April 18

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Equation

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In the meantime across the Taiwan straight...things aren't so rosy. My friend Blackstone would never take the initiative to post these kinds of news on the Taiwan regime.;)

UPDATE 1-Taiwan Dec exports fall again, economy seen staying in recession


* Dec exports -13.9 pct y/y vs -13.15 pct in poll

* Taiwan likely stayed in recession in Q4- economists

* 2015 exports down 10.6 pct, worst fall since 2009

* U.S. Dec exports -7.3 pct y/y; China -16.4 pct

By Faith Hung and Roger Tung

TAIPEI, Jan 8 Taiwan's exports plunged by more than expected in December, which might keep the trade-reliant economy in recession in the fourth quarter and could mean the central bank cuts interest rates again.

December exports were down 13.9 percent from a year earlier, an 11th straight decline, the finance ministry on Friday. A Reuters poll forecast a 13.15 percent fall and November had a 16.9 percent slide.

Exports for 2015 fell 10.6 percent, the biggest annual drop since a 20.3 percent contraction in 2009, due to sluggish demand from China and other global markets. In 2014, exports jumped 2.7 percent, thanks to Apple Inc's iPhone.

Trends in Taiwan's exports are a gauge for global technology product demand.

Taiwan's economy slipped into recession in the third quarter. The central bank cut interest rates in September and December.

"There is still no sign Taiwan's economy will pick up into the first half of 2016," Andrew Tsai, an economist of KGI Securities, Taipei, said before the data was released.

"With the global economy in such a tough situation, there is room for the central bank to slash the rate by 12.5 basis point each in Q1 and Q2."

Fourth-quarter gross domestic product (GDP) data will be announced on Jan. 29.



DEMAND WEAKENING

Taiwan is home to many suppliers that make components or assemble gadgets for global brands such as Apple.

Foxconn, which assembles most of the latest iPhones, will cut working hours over the week-long Lunar New Year holiday, a person familiar with the matter said on Wednesday, a rare move analysts interpreted as a sign of softening demand.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), the world's biggest contract chip maker, said its December sales fell both on-month and on-year. The annual growth in sales for 2015 more than halved from the rapid pace of 2014, when new iPhone 6 models were launched.

December exports to China fell 16.4 percent, compared with a 19.6 percent slump in November. Exports to the U.S. fell 7.3 percent, after contracting 10.9 percent in November.

For all of 2015, exports to China were down 12.3 percent, and to the U.S. by 1.7 percent.

Imports fell 15.6 percent in December against the forecast 13.2 percent drop and the 13.7 percent fall in November.

"Electronics export momentum is expected to pick up gradually," the finance ministry said. "However, outlook of Taiwan's exports will be dented by the slowdown of global economic growth, growing international competition, falling raw material prices and China's expanding capacity."

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Blackstone

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No because your so called challenge is weak and meaningless just like all your arguments. When someone pulls out a challenge means that they don't have raw facts to back it up.
Well then, if the facts favors you, as you seem to suggest, then you'll easily win my offer for third party arbitration. So, let's put it to the test. How about it, Equation? You could stop me from posting here for a year.
 

Equation

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Well then, if the facts favors you, as you seem to suggest, then you'll easily win my offer for third party arbitration. So, let's put it to the test. How about it, Equation? You could stop me from posting here for a year.

No need for test, I've already proven you wrong. It is you who refused to accept the facts. That's why you like to play these meaningless game that has nothing to do with this thread.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
No need for test, I've already proven you wrong. It is you who refused to accept the facts. That's why you like to play these meaningless game that has nothing to do with this thread.
Bologna. Your real problem is you think you'll lose a judgement by an unbiased third party arbitration. If you're so sure you're in the right, the you should take me up on that.
 

Equation

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Bologna. Your real problem is you think you'll lose a judgement by an unbiased third party arbitration. If you're so sure you're in the right, the you should take me up on that.

Horse manure, your third party judgement has no relevance or meaning in this debate because they too can be bias and start choosing side regardless of the facts. If you are so unsure of yourself and not having the validity to prove your point than you shouldn't have make one in the first without substantial evidence to back it up.
 

Equation

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You don't see this too often on western news media.

According to 2013 survey (Dec. 10, 2013) conducted byThe Taiwan Foundation for Democracy (TFD )& Shih Hsin University (SHU), Taiwanese respondents gave only 1.8 points (a "F" score on rate 0.0~5.0 points) to the nation on "non-corruption in government" item. (
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Corruption in Taiwanese officials field is even worse ( more serious ) than that in China's officials circle in last year, and about same score as China this year, according to a survey by PERC , which was reported by most Taiwan's news media. Taiwan's CPI (Corruption Perception Index, by Germany based Transparency Int'l) rankings in recent 3 years are worse than those in 1998-2000 by about 8-9 positions in average.

Corruption is not only throughout Taiwan's military, police, education systems, Parliament/legislation, Public officials/civil servants, political parties, religious circles, media, also lies in the judiciary & high court judges.

It seems Taiwan has not decided to rooting out or even really fighting against corruption ( already proved to be one of the hardest tasks to achieve).

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Blackstone

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Horse manure, your third party judgement has no relevance or meaning in this debate because they too can be bias and start choosing side regardless of the facts. If you are so unsure of yourself and not having the validity to prove your point than you shouldn't have make one in the first without substantial evidence to back it up.
Okay, let's see how honestly you judge yourself. Answer these three question:
  1. Do you agree to answers the following two questions truthfully and honestly?
  2. If yes to Q1, are you a China fanboi? If no to Q1, stop right here.
  3. Would most reasonable and unbiased people agree with your answer?
As for evidence the totality of my posts are more balanced than yours vis-a-vis PRC and CPC, I can find lots of both positive and negative posts on this forum. You, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly one-sided, with little or no balance at all. Want to go further? How about this: each of us find and link 10 positive posts and 10 negative posts on the PRC or CPC, the posts must be clearly and unambiguously positive or negative. Do you agree to the exercise?
 
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