Chinese Economics Thread

[Equation]

That's a crocodile (salt water croc?), this is what an adult Chinese Alligator looks like.

I know but still what I'm trying to convey to the viewer that an alligator is an alligator regardless of what size or how cute it looks. It still has a strong snapping jaws and sharped teeth.

 

[PanAsian]

That's a crocodile (salt water croc?), this is what an adult Chinese Alligator looks like.

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One of the smaller crocodilian species, reaching around 2 m (reports of 3 m individuals exist in Chinese historical literature, but this is unlikely today). Adults may weigh up to 40kg. Juveniles are black with bright yellow cross-banding, similar to juveniles of A. mississippiensis, which have a greater number of bands. Unlike A. mississippiensis, however, A. sinensis has bony plates on each upper eyelid (palpebrals). The end of the snout is slightly upturned, and is more tapered than A. mississippiensis. The teeth are better adapted for crushing, as they feed extensively on hard-shelled molluscs. The ventral body scales are ossified, making the skin fairly worthless on the international market.

Much smaller than an American alligator but certainly big enough to be capable of serious damage.

 

[PanAsian]

Shanghai disneyland by the numbers. Shanghai Disneyland opens today.

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Why isn't there a Chinese equivalent of Disney? There is an abundance of Chinese legends, fables, fairy tales, and historic fiction to draw from for a "cultural fantasy" focused company. I know of plenty "realist" cultural parks, "non-cultural" theme parks, but not a "cultural fantasy" type park or media company or conglomerate. Wanda is getting close with its media efforts but its parks all seem to be the "realist" type.

 

[Blitzo]

Why isn't there a Chinese equivalent of Disney? There is an abundance of Chinese legends, fables, fairy tales, and historic fiction to draw from for a "cultural fantasy" focused company. I know of plenty "realist" cultural parks, "non-cultural" theme parks, but not a "cultural fantasy" type park or media company or conglomerate. Wanda is getting close with its media efforts but its parks all seem to be the "realist" type.

I don't think there are many non US movie and film giants like Disney and similar companies, who are able to leverage their IP to build large scale theme parks.

Seriously, to be able to consistently build and create compelling and successful pop culture products like Disney churns them out (or indeed Hollywood at large) would be a massive undertaking that will need advancements not only in the production and tech side of film making, but also writing, and legal reform to better protect IP, and also reform to better enable film makers to work with SAPRFT...... All of which is in turn dependent in large, on continued socio economic development to make the industry a viable one.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Why isn't there a Chinese equivalent of Disney? There is an abundance of Chinese legends, fables, fairy tales, and historic fiction to draw from for a "cultural fantasy" focused company. I know of plenty "realist" cultural parks, "non-cultural" theme parks, but not a "cultural fantasy" type park or media company or conglomerate. Wanda is getting close with its media efforts but its parks all seem to be the "realist" type.

Unfortunately, Chinese censorship does play a big role in stifling creativity in animation, sci-fi, fantasy, and other genre fiction. The Chinese censor has an intense dislike of fantastic elements like magic, ghosts, and gods (unless they are based on classical Chinese lore).

 

[PanAsian]

I guess quality creative businesses come later in the development cycle as buy-in is needed from not just the authorities, investors, potential customers, management, and staff, but also from parents and spouses in addition to the individuals themselves who would pursue it as not just a viable living but actually a worthy entrepreneurial endeavor.

 

[solarz]

Unfortunately, Chinese censorship does play a big role in stifling creativity in animation, sci-fi, fantasy, and other genre fiction. The Chinese censor has an intense dislike of fantastic elements like magic, ghosts, and gods (unless they are based on classical Chinese lore).

The so-called "censor board" is actually a "culture board". Where western media like to portray it as censoring based on political reasons, the truth is that the board tries to guide cultural outputs. It tends to issue cessation orders when a genre becomes too saturated or becomes too mediocre in quality.

Case in point, it issued a decree to stop new talent shows when TV became flooded with them. It issued its "no time travel" decree after an abysmally idiotic drama featuring time travel became widely popular among young people.

The reason China doesn't have a "Disney" of its own is the same reason Japan, UK, France, or anyone else for that matter, doesn't have their own Disney. Disney is an international behemoth. Even with the popularity of manga and anime, Japan was never able to build a single brand on the level of Disney.

 

[shen]

On the topic of Chinese sci-fi, this may have been discussed here before, but I thought just to re-post due to relevance to current discussion. Is this the first foreign language novel to the win Hugo Award?

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[AndrewS]

On the topic of Chinese sci-fi, this may have been discussed here before, but I thought just to re-post due to relevance to current discussion. Is this the first foreign language novel to the win Hugo Award?

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Probably.

But what matters more is that China has a varied body of Chinese language sci-fi literature, whether that be original works in Chinese or good translations of the large catalogue of existing foreign language material.

That is how the seed is planted in the population for future ideas and innovations.

 

[AndrewS]

Why isn't there a Chinese equivalent of Disney? There is an abundance of Chinese legends, fables, fairy tales, and historic fiction to draw from for a "cultural fantasy" focused company. I know of plenty "realist" cultural parks, "non-cultural" theme parks, but not a "cultural fantasy" type park or media company or conglomerate. Wanda is getting close with its media efforts but its parks all seem to be the "realist" type.

China has only recently become a middle-income country in the modern age, so it's not surprising that it lacked the demand for cultural entertainment and didn't develop a Disney.

If we look to the film industry, for most of the past century, the US film market was larger and richer than the rest of a linguistically fragmented world combined.

So Hollywood always had the largest budgets and largest talent pool in the world. Combined with the globalisation of English, this meant there were very few competitors overseas who could compete in terms of volume, variety and quality.

But this no longer holds true with the rise of China, which is due to become larger than the USA next year, and larger than US+Europe combined around 2020.

That just leaves the language and production side of things to work on.