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AssassinsMace

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That just shows how again Obama is setting up the Paris climate talks to fail again like he did in Copenhagen. There was an article recently where it noted a poll that claimed only about 15% of Chinese citizens think pollution and the saving the environment are a concern, less than Americans. Did Obama tell his media allies to switch the numbers around?

Here's an article I was going to post on another thread but it's the same issue on how the media lies.

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Everyone in this forum knows about all the reports from the media how China was involved in Syria in some capacity. Now they're attacking Ben Carson for bringing it up as if he's stupid and knows nothing? They're the ones that reported it! It just shows the media knows they lie to the public. Ben Carson's problem is he only knows about the world from what the media tells him. Trump too. And those two are the leading candidates of their party.
 

Ultra

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China will hold global economy back in 2016

The world economy isn't heading for disaster in 2016, but don't expect it to surge.

Experts say growth will pick up next year, but not by much. For that, blame China.

The world's second-largest economy is slowing down, and it's holding everyone else back.

A slew of new forecasts out from the
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, the
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and
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broadly agree:

China's economy will fall further in 2016. The U.S. will stay about the same -- in a "
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" state. Europe will improve modestly, but still be lackluster.

India and other emerging markets will be the superstars.

"The global economy is stuck in a holding pattern," says Bart van Ark, chief economist at The Conference Board.

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It all hinges on China in 2016

The Conference Board forecasts the world economy will grow by 2.8% next year, a slight improvement from 2.5% this year. The OECD is a bit more optimistic -- it projects 3.3% GDP next year and 2.9% for 2015.

The key is China.

Almost no one believes China's
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, which indicates a minor blip right now. But the broad consensus is that China is having a "soft landing."

"The good news is this is not a hard landing," says van Ark. "A lot of the heat has already been taken."

China buys a lot of raw materials from other countries such as oil and copper. If the worst has already happened with China's slowdown, it will enable the rest of the world to rebound and move on in 2016.

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U.S. consumers have to keep spending

U.S. consumers and businesses are the other critical factors to keep the economy pumping. Americans have been enjoying cheap gas prices for about a year now and they have been spending more as they become more optimistic about the future.

But U.S. businesses are still hoarding cash. They aren't investing much in the future. Until they do, the economy -- and the stock market -- will struggle to get much stronger.

India and parts of Africa continue to see pick up as their populations grow richer, but they simply aren't big enough players yet to lift the whole world enough.

Even the modest predictions might not come to pass in 2016. Both the IMF and OECD had to slash their 2015 forecasts.

For now, the economy is stuck in low gear -- what one expert dubbed the "Twilight Zone" -- It's growing, but at a jog, not a sprint.

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LOL, CNN is still pandering this sinophobic racist view against China with news headline like these .

A typical american racist view of pot calling kettle black - when American has been the one holding the global economy back (while China been the one pulling the global economy out of the rout for the past few years) its all everyone else's fault; but if China's economy even slows down slightly it is all China's fault.
 

Blackstone

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China will hold global economy back in 2016

The world economy isn't heading for disaster in 2016, but don't expect it to surge.

LOL, CNN is still pandering this sinophobic racist view against China with news headline like these .

A typical american racist view of pot calling kettle black - when American has been the one holding the global economy back (while China been the one pulling the global economy out of the rout for the past few years) its all everyone else's fault; but if China's economy even slows down slightly it is all China's fault.
Stop it with the race baiting. CNN Money's extremely low and outlier estimates of China's GDP growths was wrong in 2015 and will most likely be wrong for 2016 too. The publication is probably staffed with China bears who have been proven wrong decade after decade. They might be pigheaded, but there's absolutely no evidence of racism. If you have proof to the contrary, that isn't straight out of your fertile imagination, then present them.
 

Blitzo

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LOL, CNN is still pandering this sinophobic racist view against China with news headline like these .

A typical american racist view of pot calling kettle black - when American has been the one holding the global economy back (while China been the one pulling the global economy out of the rout for the past few years) its all everyone else's fault; but if China's economy even slows down slightly it is all China's fault.

It's not quite sinophobic, but it definitely is inflammatory. I'm not sure why you posted it here when you knew it had few merits in the first place.
 

AssassinsMace

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China is under no obligation being responsible for keeping the world economy growing. They're the ones that want to eliminate China's international influence and how does that happen? Making sure China's economy collapses. A contradiction. If India is going to be the star of the world, have them be the engine of the world. Don't they prefer that? Look at that chaotic thinking.

I just read an article in the Hollywood trades with the same kind of bluster against China. Why? Because supposedly Hollywood movies aren't doing as well as expected in China this year. The Chinese box office has skyrocketed past expectations this year. So if numbers are correct of what I've seen Hollywood is still making more than last year. What they're upset about is that Chinese domestic movies are the reason why the Chinese box office is breaking expectations. They didn't like how Fast and the Furious 7 broke the Chinese box office record to only then have a Chinese movie take the title away from them shortly afterwards. That mentality is no different from the CNN article where to them Chinese are slaves that only exist to enrich them.
 

Equation

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I don't care what the naysayers says on CNN but there's gold in them seas in China.:):D
The largest ever gold deposit in China has been found in the East China Sea, near the Sanshan Islands in the Shandong province, at a depth of 2,000 meters, the
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reported on Tuesday.

The Shandong Provincial No. 3 Institute of Geological and Mineral Survey announced on Monday the
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in the sea near the city of Laizhou holds 470.47 tonnes of gold.
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, Ding Zhengjiang, said the gold deposit is part of a belt that lies deep at the sea bottom.

“It’s very difficult to locate and set up the drilling platforms at sea,”
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. The project manager
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said, “drilling holes into underground rocks that are more than 1,000 meters deep is a big challenge. Normally in China, gold mine prospection is conducted within 800 meters underground. The discovery of a gold deposit lying 2,000 meters undersea provides new drilling technology for future gold mining,” (Quotes by the
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Owned by Laizhou Ruihai Mining Ltd, the
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for China’s first undersea gold mine took three years and involved more than 120 kilometers of drilling, with 67 sea drilling platforms and nearly 1,000 geological workers.

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Courtesy
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At a current gold price on the
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of ¥225 yuan per gram for gold having a fineness of 9999, the deposit is worth ¥105.9 billion yuan, or more than $16 billion US dollars. However, if the Chinese want to mine the gold at the bottom of the ocean the costs would be extremely high, assuming they can develop a technology for off-shore mining.

As on-shore gold reserves are globally being depleted, undersea gold mining initiatives are increasing. In June 2015
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reported exploration has begun for mineral deposits and precious metals like gold and silver in the Southern Indian Ocean at a geological junction where three tectonic plates meet near Mauritius.

In 1949 China’s domestic mining output was a little over 4 tonnes a year. Currently, China is the largest gold miner globally; in 2014 China produced 452 tonnes of gold. The
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recently disclosed domestic mining output reached 357 tonnes in the first three quarters of 2015, which is 476 tonnes of gold annualized, up 3.5 % y/y.

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Most notably, Chinese domestic mining has increased significantly since the late seventies when the country started to open up under the guidance of
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. It’s being thought that
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China became a net gold importer. Ever since China has not exported its domestic gold mining output and ramped up gold import to well over 1,000 a year since 2013.

Estimated above ground gold reserves in China are at least 13,743 tonnes, of
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are owned by China central bank the People’s Bank Of China, and 12,021 tonnes owned by the private sector.

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Equation

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Why would any 7 year old girl needs a diamond of that size for?o_O

HONG KONG (AP) — A Hong Kong billionaire tycoon paid a total of $77 million at auctions in Geneva for two large and rare colored diamonds for his 7-year-old daughter Josephine — and renamed them after her, his office said Thursday.
Joseph Lau was the top bidder for the 12.03-carat "Blue Moon" diamond that sold Wednesday night for a record-setting 48.6 million Swiss francs ($48.5 million), said a spokeswoman for Lau, who declined to give her name. Sotheby's said the buyer promptly renamed the pricier gem "The Blue Moon of Josephine,"

Lau was also the buyer of a 16.08-carat vivid pink diamond that sold for 28.7 million Swiss francs ($28.5 million) auctioned by Christie's the night before, she said. The buyer renamed that diamond "Sweet Josephine," Christie's said.

"Yes, the two diamonds are bought by Joseph Lau," said the spokeswoman, who added that they were named after Lau's daughter.

The blue diamond, set in a ring, was said to be among the largest known fancy vivid blue diamonds and was the showpiece gem at the Sotheby's jewelry auction.

The Blue Moon — named in reference to its rarity, playing off the expression "once in a blue moon" — topped the previous record of $46.2 million set five years ago by the Graff Pink, Sotheby's said. The diamond also set a new record of more than $4 million per carat, capping the daylong high-end jewelry sale that reaped roughly $140 million.


Lau, a property developer with a fortune estimated by Forbes at $9.9 billion, has a habit of snapping up expensive gems for his children.

At a Sotheby's Geneva auction in 2009, he bought another blue diamond, paying a then-record $9.5 million for the 7.03-carat "Star of Josephine."

Last November, he also bought two gems for another daughter, 13-year-old Zoe, his spokeswoman said. One was a 9.75-carat blue diamond that he named "Zoe Diamond" after buying it for about $33 million at a Sotheby's auction in New York. He also spent 65 million Hong Kong dollars ($8.4 million) for a 10.1-carat ruby and diamond brooch at a Christie's Hong Kong auction. He named that one "Zoe Red."

Lau was convicted last year by a Macau court of bribery and money laundering and sentenced to more than five years in prison. But Lau, who didn't attend the trial, has remained free by avoiding travel to the former Portuguese colony, which doesn't have an extradition treaty with nearby Hong Kong. Both cities are specially administered Chinese regions.

"Tonight we set a new world record, a new auction record for any diamond, any jewel, any gemstone, with the sale of the Blue Moon diamond," said auctioneer David Bennett in Geneva. He specified the price as $48,468,158. "I have never seen a more beautiful stone. The shape, the color, the purity — it's a magical stone."

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FILE - In this Nov. 4, 2015 file photo a Sotheby's employee displays the rare Blue Moon Diamond …
The polished blue gem was cut from a 29.6-carat diamond discovered last year in South Africa's Cullinan mine, which also yielded the 530-carat Star of Africa blue diamond that is part of the British crown jewels, and the Smithsonian Institution's "Blue Heart" discovered in 1908.

Sotheby's says experts took five months for an "intense study" of the original Blue Moon diamond, and a master cutter took another three months to craft, cut and polish the stone. The auction house said in a video that the Cullinan mine was the "only reliable source in the world for blue diamonds," and only a tiny percentage of those found in it contain even a trace of blue.

Blue diamonds are formed when boron is mixed with carbon when the gem is created.

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