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Bernard
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No one is going to report on the Chinese stock market?
Chinese regulator vows share support after markets tumble 8.5 percent in a day
SHANGHAI | By Samuel Shen and
SHANGHAI said on Monday it was prepared to buy shares to stabilize the stock market and avert "systemic risks", after major indices plunged more than 8 percent in the biggest one-day fall since 2007.
The securities regulator also said market authorities would deal severely with anyone engaged in the "malicious shorting of stocks", in Beijing's latest attempt to stave off a full-blown market crash.
Monday's slump, amid growing doubts about the strength of the world's second biggest economy, shattered three weeks of relative calm as a barrage of support measures helped stabilize values following a sharp sell-off that started in mid-June.
"The lesson from China's last equity bubble is that, once sentiment has soured, policy interventions aimed at shoring up prices have only a short-lived effect," wrote Capital Economics analysts in a research note reacting to the slide.
The CSI300 index of the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzhen tumbled 8.6 percent to 3,818.73 points, while the Shanghai Composite Index lost 8.5 percent to 3,725.56 points.
China's market gyrations have stoked fears among global investors about the broader health of the Chinese economy, hitting prices of growth-sensitive commodities such as copper, which fell on Monday to not far from a 6-year low. [MET/L]
But, while recent stock market weakness will have caught out many retail investors and companies who jumped in as stocks more than doubled in a year, the relatively low rate of stock ownership by households and a disconnect between valuations and economic fundamentals mean the impact on the is likely to be less than in other markets.
FUTURES TUMBLE
Stocks fell across the board on Monday, with 2,247 companies falling, leaving only 77 gainers.
More than 1,500 shares listed in Shanghai and Shenzhen dived by their 10 percent daily limit, led by index heavyweights including China Unicom (), Bank of Communications () and PetroChina ().
All traded index futures contracts also fell by their maximum 10 percent limit, with the exception of a few tracking the large cap SSE50 index, which declined around 9 percent.
Some analysts said talk had circulated among traders that the China Securities Financial Corporation (CSFC) had returned ahead of schedule some of the loans it took to stabilize the stock market, highlighting investor concern that Beijing's commitment to supporting prices may be flagging.
The CSFC became the regulator's weapon of choice earlier this month, borrowing money from commercial banks to buy shares in Chinese stocks. That helped indexes jump around 20 percent from their recent low, until Monday's renewed decline.
Several hours after the Chinese markets closed, the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) denied talk that the CSFC was retreating from the stock market, and said it did not rule out the possibility that some big investors were engaged in "malicious" shorting of shares.
It was not clear whether the latest moves to control selling would be any more effective than previous attempts.
Monday's fall accelerated sharply in the afternoon, long after investors had digested lackluster data on profits at Chinese industrial firms and a disappointing private factory sector survey on Friday.
But Chinese stock investors have been celebrating bad economic news for months on the basis it would provoke more aggressive policy easing, seen as positive for stocks because it pushes cheap money into the market.
Some saw the government-induced recovery in share prices in recent weeks as itself contributing to the crash.
"After two weeks of steady rebound, both foreign investors and domestic institutions are gradually taking profits, increasing selling pressure," said Yu Jun, strategist at Bosera Asset Management Co.
"In addition, investor confidence hasn't fully recovered. There has been no obvious increase in outstanding margin loans, while the amount of fresh capital inflows is much lower than the average level in May and June. With not enough money taking up the baton, a renewed, sharp correction is inevitable."
CONFIDENCE GAME
China's main stock indexes had more than doubled over the year to mid-June, when a sudden swoon saw shares lose more than 30 percent of their value in a matter of weeks.
Markets finally began stabilizing again in the second week of July, due mostly to Beijing's effort to pump liquidity into the market while barring investors from selling.
China's central bank cut interest rates, brokerages formed stabilization funds and regulators lifted restrictions on pensions and insurers investing in stocks, an implied combined total verbal commitment of almost $800 billion.
Beijing also cracked down on "malicious" short-sellers in the futures market, froze IPOs to prevent a liquidity drain and looked the other way as around 40 percent of companies suspended trading in their shares to escape the rout.
The campaign even acquired nationalistic tones at times, with local governments calling on retail investors to "defend the stock market," and domestic media and popular commentators expressing suspicions that the crash was engineered by a foreign cabal.
Chinese regulator vows share support after markets tumble 8.5 percent in a day
SHANGHAI | By Samuel Shen and
SHANGHAI said on Monday it was prepared to buy shares to stabilize the stock market and avert "systemic risks", after major indices plunged more than 8 percent in the biggest one-day fall since 2007.
The securities regulator also said market authorities would deal severely with anyone engaged in the "malicious shorting of stocks", in Beijing's latest attempt to stave off a full-blown market crash.
Monday's slump, amid growing doubts about the strength of the world's second biggest economy, shattered three weeks of relative calm as a barrage of support measures helped stabilize values following a sharp sell-off that started in mid-June.
"The lesson from China's last equity bubble is that, once sentiment has soured, policy interventions aimed at shoring up prices have only a short-lived effect," wrote Capital Economics analysts in a research note reacting to the slide.
The CSI300 index of the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzhen tumbled 8.6 percent to 3,818.73 points, while the Shanghai Composite Index lost 8.5 percent to 3,725.56 points.
China's market gyrations have stoked fears among global investors about the broader health of the Chinese economy, hitting prices of growth-sensitive commodities such as copper, which fell on Monday to not far from a 6-year low. [MET/L]
But, while recent stock market weakness will have caught out many retail investors and companies who jumped in as stocks more than doubled in a year, the relatively low rate of stock ownership by households and a disconnect between valuations and economic fundamentals mean the impact on the is likely to be less than in other markets.
FUTURES TUMBLE
Stocks fell across the board on Monday, with 2,247 companies falling, leaving only 77 gainers.
More than 1,500 shares listed in Shanghai and Shenzhen dived by their 10 percent daily limit, led by index heavyweights including China Unicom (), Bank of Communications () and PetroChina ().
All traded index futures contracts also fell by their maximum 10 percent limit, with the exception of a few tracking the large cap SSE50 index, which declined around 9 percent.
Some analysts said talk had circulated among traders that the China Securities Financial Corporation (CSFC) had returned ahead of schedule some of the loans it took to stabilize the stock market, highlighting investor concern that Beijing's commitment to supporting prices may be flagging.
The CSFC became the regulator's weapon of choice earlier this month, borrowing money from commercial banks to buy shares in Chinese stocks. That helped indexes jump around 20 percent from their recent low, until Monday's renewed decline.
Several hours after the Chinese markets closed, the China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) denied talk that the CSFC was retreating from the stock market, and said it did not rule out the possibility that some big investors were engaged in "malicious" shorting of shares.
It was not clear whether the latest moves to control selling would be any more effective than previous attempts.
Monday's fall accelerated sharply in the afternoon, long after investors had digested lackluster data on profits at Chinese industrial firms and a disappointing private factory sector survey on Friday.
But Chinese stock investors have been celebrating bad economic news for months on the basis it would provoke more aggressive policy easing, seen as positive for stocks because it pushes cheap money into the market.
Some saw the government-induced recovery in share prices in recent weeks as itself contributing to the crash.
"After two weeks of steady rebound, both foreign investors and domestic institutions are gradually taking profits, increasing selling pressure," said Yu Jun, strategist at Bosera Asset Management Co.
"In addition, investor confidence hasn't fully recovered. There has been no obvious increase in outstanding margin loans, while the amount of fresh capital inflows is much lower than the average level in May and June. With not enough money taking up the baton, a renewed, sharp correction is inevitable."
CONFIDENCE GAME
China's main stock indexes had more than doubled over the year to mid-June, when a sudden swoon saw shares lose more than 30 percent of their value in a matter of weeks.
Markets finally began stabilizing again in the second week of July, due mostly to Beijing's effort to pump liquidity into the market while barring investors from selling.
China's central bank cut interest rates, brokerages formed stabilization funds and regulators lifted restrictions on pensions and insurers investing in stocks, an implied combined total verbal commitment of almost $800 billion.
Beijing also cracked down on "malicious" short-sellers in the futures market, froze IPOs to prevent a liquidity drain and looked the other way as around 40 percent of companies suspended trading in their shares to escape the rout.
The campaign even acquired nationalistic tones at times, with local governments calling on retail investors to "defend the stock market," and domestic media and popular commentators expressing suspicions that the crash was engineered by a foreign cabal.
Blackstone
Brigadier
A sea of red ink is the bed news, and Chinese leaders, regulators, business community, and the general public are learning valuable lessons. China is new at the stock market game, and it will be 'wild wild west' for a while, and in the meantime there will be lots of volatility. On the flip side, the Chinese economy isn't really affected by its stock market, so it will keep trucking along at 4-7% (depending on who you want to believe) YoY growth.
shen
Senior Member
One difference I see between the actions of the Chinese and US government when there is market disturbance. Back in 2008, when the US stock market was in trouble, government money went to save the billionaires of Goldman Sachs. When the Chinese market is in trouble, government money is been directed to help the small investors. It may be socialism with Chinese characteristics, but it is still socialism.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Yes, shen, you have a good point. The moment Bush43 bailed out the big financial institutions, he announced to the world US policy is to socialize debts and privatize profits. In other words, "too big to fail" means a new class of rent-seeking elites. So you see, plutocrats in America aren't that different from plutocrats in China, they just use less hair dye.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Plutocrats in China uplifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, meanwhile the plutocrats in the US does the opposite by putting people out of work and into debt and eventually poverty.
Equation
Lieutenant General
NO the Chinese government doesn't use TAX payers money and sacrifice of the middle class to bail out the elites like in the US. Middle class in China are growing, meanwhile the one in the US are dwindling.
solarz
Brigadier
How long have you been following the Chinese stock markets? Wild fluctuations are nothing new.
The best part is looking back just a few weeks and we can find titles like this:
Chinese Stocks Head for Biggest Two-Day Rebound Since 2008